Prayer to start a race

Stalin didn't kill anyone because he was not christian(i mean otherwise it would also not make sense that christians have killed people).He didn't say:I'm going to do an anti-christian thing and kill everyone who's against me.

He killed other people not in the name of not-god but in the name of Stalin and his own craziness.

Actually he believed in a god:himself.

Atheism is not a religion, not a belief, no rules.

Don't get me wrong, there is some nice and friendly stuff in the bible as well of course and if your religion is responsible that you are a friendly,help and hopeful person...great.But i mean there are millions of books with good and positive arguments but the bible was definietly the first one + the bible contains a lot of very hateful and violent messages.

If some god or ultimate power or whatever comes down and says hey guys behave so and so or i'm gonna kill you..sh.t i'm gonna be the first to one to follow.

But i'm not going to follow some ridicolous stuff cause a bunch of unemployed were bored 2000 years ago.

I mean if John Smith, a homeless in L.A. tells you that he is the son of god and hears gods voice, do you follow him too?However, the church of FSM is NOT about mocking other people, it just says:Leave us alone, religion is a private thing.

correction:the bible was def. NOT the first one

so r u saying truth is only truth when it is good and positive and happy and nice and friendly?

If that were true, we'd worship Barney or Richard Simmons.

gold woman wrote:

so r u saying truth is only truth when it is good and positive and happy and nice and friendly?

Truth?

I'm just against torture,rape and murder as well as disrespecting people who are just using the rights they have by law.

not for mocking other people?

Superimposing a funny-looking(I got to hand it to you guys, it is funny) Monty Python creature in the place of Jesus in famous works of art and then trying to satirically, mirror the Christian faith with smug tenets isn't mocking?

Do you realize what you have been writing? Go back and re-read.

Allow me.

"a bunch of unemployed were bored 2000 years ago." (those people in my faith I think are the apostles who I happen to pray to from time to time)

"Even funnier is that anyone would, with a straight face, attempt to distinguish the FSM in any way from other gods. The only difference is that stories about God, Yahweh, Allah, Quetzalcoatl and Shiva have been around longer. From a thinking person's perspective, all of these accounts are equally stupid."

"It proofs that global warming is a result of the shrinking number of pirates in this world.

The church of FSM explains this so:"Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t. "

"Surely not your superchrists."

"When you forget that christianity is responsible for mass murdering, surpressing and hunting people because of their belief, their sex, their values, their heritage, their scientific work...beside all that christianity is pure fun, you don't need no monty python!"

Plenty more.

Did you have a straight face when you wrote that FSM is NOT about mocking other people?

That's the whole point!

Mock Christianity and all religions because people like me are Godidiots who look like Ned Flanders and walk around judging others like yourself.

Someone put the FSM in the background of this painting please. He and the movement would fit right in.

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bosch/carrying/carrying.jpg

Again, the church of FSM is against christians trying to missionary people against their will, to keep religion a private thing.If you guys after thousands of years of mass murdering, hunting and surpressing still don't respect that i would say satire is a pretty friendly way to counteract that.This is a thread where people can post their opinions and not the church of FSM.

If you call it mocking when someone just raises the FACTS that show that christianity is/was not only about love your next i would say you should think about that again!

If you think that atheism is stupid and post your arguments..no problem!

This is what a debate is all about.

FSM is not about mocking Christianity (or any religion) -- rather, it's purpose is to demonstrate that it is as equally as valid as anyother religion -- it's simply younger than most.

It was created in response to decisions by a school board in Kansas to degrade the Theory of Evolution while suggesting that other, supernatural forces were ultimately responsible for the development of life in the Universe. This is a clear case of religious beliefs attempting to override a scientific consensus. Would you suggest that supernatural forces were at work in the functioning of gravity (since gravity is only a theory)?

The point is if you want to include Christian myth/supernatural reasoning in scientific text books you are obliged to include FSM as well.

tim the toot wrote:

The Living History Farms race has lead off with a prayer.

I'm a religious folk but is it right or proper to start off a race with a prayer?

There may be people who are not christians in the race and since our world is so sensitive to everything these days is this a big deal?

back to the original questions. I say the answer is no, it is not proper.

Got it.

That's does help. Thank you trackhead. I was waiting for this.

So let's boil it down.

1. Organization started with a premise to combat something bad and injust and right some sort of 'wrong.'

2. Organization forms, members unite with common goal and purpose.

3. Organization contains people who misinterpet the founding charter. Zealots run rampant with this and give organization bad name. Abuses happen.

Which is it?

Communisim, Christianity, FSM, Animal Farm, Islam, Atheism, or Paganism?

All of the above.

Human nature. Free will. Man's natural tendency. Everyone picks one whether you think you live and let live or not. You bond with like-minded individuals and choose a theism that contains zealots, idiots, and abusers. We all do.

In my case, I'll pick one that preaches that universal, unconditional love is more important of love of self.

Yep, this post just jumped the shark. I think I'm done. Have a nice day. It was fun fellas.

That's cute, but there's no "organization" of atheists in the same way that there are organized religions. It's non-sensical to treat atheism as just another religion. It makes almost as much sense as treating science as a religion. If one insists that those are true, then that person doesn't truly understand either atheism or science.

Here's a question on topic: Has anyone ever been to a race that was started with a Buddhist chant, a Wiccan incantation, a Shinto prayer, or anything along those lines? Or how about an atheistic pronouncement of a lack of proof for (a) god(s)? Can't say I ever have.

sick of the bashing wrote: people like me are Godidiots who look like Ned Flanders and walk around judging others like yourself.

FSM-Game:

http://www.venganza.org/games/index_large.htm

hey gold woman we stopped doin that after the destruction of the second temple.

Neither have I, but if anybody were organizing a "Race Against Theocracy" or "Run From Jesus Freaks" I'd spare no expense to participate. Best event publicity you could get would be when the good christian Pat Robertson in his infinite wisdom declared "Don't call on God to heal your sprained ankle, cuz you just ran from him. I'm not saying you will sprain your ankle, but if you do..."

Jesus is dead. Get the fvck over it already!!!

looks like you've got about as much tolerance as Pat Robertson does.

If your idea of prayer involves a PA system, you're on my shitlist. No question there. But you are very wrong in your assertion.

You see, unlike Pat Robertson I don't stick my nose in what people say or do or believe privately. Worship a bowl of pasta, drill the ass of a consenting adult male, run around trying to please some invisible judgmental old bastard in the stratosphere, those things are all at odds with my personal values and desires, but I don't devote my life to pointing fingers and professing to those who enjoy such activities that they're gonna get what's coming to them.

Or let me explain it in terms of "tolerance". In my line of business that term means "allowable deviation from the target, or desired mean" and once the object drifts beyond defined limits you take action to bring the process back on target and control the variation.

Thus, your ability to recongize a deviation is not synonymous with tolerance. The indicator of tolerance is when you take action. Pat Robertson seems to invoke his "out-of-control action plan" or OCAP frequently and for any deviation from his strict view of christian morality. In other words, his tolerance appears to be quite narrow.

I, on the other hand, observe strong deviation from my atheist ideal all the time and all over the place. But I have yet to take to the airwaves or streets to condemn such behavior and threaten the perpetrators. Hence, while my measurement system has adequate resolution, my tolerance on private human behavior is very wide.

I am NOT tolerant on separation of church and state. Thus, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU and have participated in demonstrations on a few occasions.

No, you have not taken to the airwaves, but you have used this website as a medium to belittle the Christian faith. You are right in stating you have not threatened anyone, but the malignance in your previous post shows that you are not very tolerant of the Christian faith. I do not care what you say, but stating "Jesus is dead, get the fvck over it already!!" is not a display of tolerance. And if you think it is, ask yourself if you would say the same thing to a Christian's face and still consider it tolerant.

Thank you. Well stated. Reread the threads and compare the 1000 atheists, their words, their language and their calluous jokes and contrast them to the 3 non-atheists, their examples, and their rhetoric. Now, pick the tolerant example on this b-board.