Hghhh wrote:
I agree with this. In 50 years, people will look at CF Olympic silver and faster times. No one will care about their head to head records or US titles.
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LOL you really think that in 50 years anyone except friends and family will remember CF (or Emma for that matter)?[/quote]
Nice deflection.
Replace 50 years with 5-10 years then.
Olympic silver and American record are better than any WC medal. The average person doesn't even know the WC exists.
And how many times in the past 5 years did Frerichs "duck" Coburn? Who has raced more in the past 5 years?
Frerichs may very likely end up as the US GOAT female steepler, but she's simply not there yet. Ignoring their head to head record is asinine. Coburn is 18-2 vs. Frerichs, including 3-1 in global championships. The only advantage to Frerichs at this time is the AR. Not insignificant, but pales in comparison to their head to head record and record in championship racing.
In what way is this official?
I have a suspicion that official doesn't mean what you think, which appears to be , "in my opinion"
Courtney Frerich is forever linked to the Burrito Doping Bowerman Track Club. They forget she is a Bowerman Babe because quite frankly she's not as good looking as the others. She is a fraud. Her bawling or shocked reaction after every race like she is totally surprised by her DopedToTheGills time is getting incredibly tiring.
Coburn clearly has the better career to date, though Courtney is narrowing the lead this year.
I lose respect for the opinion of anyone arguing otherwise.
itbunkso wrote:
It was pretty much tied going into this race imo
8:57 the same year as an Olympic silver proves that she can run any type of race.
Elephant in the room for this argument is Emma’s WC gold, but that was before the emergence of BK and other fine runners today.
Frerichs with the AR, a top time of all time, and an Olympic and WC silver with no end in sight give me that status in my mind
What you want is them both competing and inspiring each other to perform better. I hope we get Emma Coburn back. They are both great competitors and people. When I see races like the one I saw yesterday I am thankful that I could watch it. But they only happen when people put themselves on the line willing to compete. People always talk about who is the GOAT. For me it's who is holding the record. What have you done lately not how someone dominated 20 years ago. I know gold medals mean something but it really is about the time for me. I will say it has to be an official race time and not something put together last minute with a couple of pacers to try to help one person to a record.
paremata wrote:
itbunkso wrote:
It was pretty much tied going into this race imo
8:57 the same year as an Olympic silver proves that she can run any type of race.
Elephant in the room for this argument is Emma’s WC gold, but that was before the emergence of BK and other fine runners today.
Frerichs with the AR, a top time of all time, and an Olympic and WC silver with no end in sight give me that status in my mind
What you want is them both competing and inspiring each other to perform better. I hope we get Emma Coburn back. They are both great competitors and people. When I see races like the one I saw yesterday I am thankful that I could watch it. But they only happen when people put themselves on the line willing to compete. People always talk about who is the GOAT. For me it's who is holding the record. What have you done lately not how someone dominated 20 years ago. I know gold medals mean something but it really is about the time for me. I will say it has to be an official race time and not something put together last minute with a couple of pacers to try to help one person to a record.
It's about time for you, but when they put a race together to run the fastest time it doesn't count?
rhimby wrote:
c7runner7 wrote:
Head to head, Emma is 18-2 against Courtney. Emma has won every US steeple title from 2011-2021 except for 2013 (a year she won NCAAs over Courtney).
Coburn was the US #1, Frerichs is the US #1
I agree, if you're the past super bowl champ you don't get to say you still are if you lose. CF the s better, and faster now.
MY brother is 2 years older than me. He beat me 100 times in a row while growing up. He won the state meet his junior year by running a school record 4:20 while I finished in 8th at 4:30.
The next year as a sophomore, I finished 2nd at state running a school record 4:15 while he finished 3rd in 4:20 as a senior.
Our head to head record is 100-1 and he was a state champ while I was only a 2nd place finisher at that point but I had the school record at 4:15 while he was 2nd at 4:20. I think I was better.
Emma jogging it in at the Olympics .
No way Croquet wrote:
MY brother is 2 years older than me. He beat me 100 times in a row while growing up. He won the state meet his junior year by running a school record 4:20 while I finished in 8th at 4:30.
The next year as a sophomore, I finished 2nd at state running a school record 4:15 while he finished 3rd in 4:20 as a senior.
Our head to head record is 100-1 and he was a state champ while I was only a 2nd place finisher at that point but I had the school record at 4:15 while he was 2nd at 4:20. I think I was better.
Today I learned the difference between an 18 yr. old male compared to a 16 yr. old male is exactly the same as the difference between a 30 yr. old female and a 28 yr. old female.
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objectively, yes
JBaller33 wrote:
This debate over the best US Women’s Steeplechaser always irritates me since one woman is one of the most outgoing, personable, all-time great US distance running personalities and is clean, while the other woman is a cold, doping, b!tch.
Yeah Coburn is really a doped up piece of work.
rhimby wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
This debate over the best US Women’s Steeplechaser always irritates me since one woman is one of the most outgoing, personable, all-time great US distance running personalities and is clean, while the other woman is a cold, doping, b!tch.
Yeah Coburn is really a doped up piece of work.
The fact that you think Coburn is the doped one is pretty hilarious……
…..unless that was said in jest.
JBaller33 wrote:
rhimby wrote:
Yeah Coburn is really a doped up piece of work.
The fact that you think Coburn is the doped one is pretty hilarious……
…..unless that was said in jest.
She is much more likely to be doping. She accuses others of doping at the drop of a hat, and seems to have very strong opinions about what "clean" athletes are capable of. She's salty that she's forced to dope herself up while clean athletes (like Frerichs) are able to trounce her and run times she could only dream of.
rhimby wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
The fact that you think Coburn is the doped one is pretty hilarious……
…..unless that was said in jest.
She is much more likely to be doping. She accuses others of doping at the drop of a hat, and seems to have very strong opinions about what "clean" athletes are capable of. She's salty that she's forced to dope herself up while clean athletes (like Frerichs) are able to trounce her and run times she could only dream of.
Well ok then. You might be the only person on here that doesn’t think Frerichs is doping. It’s SOOOOOOOO obvious. I don’t know for a fact that Emma is clean (who does?), but I do know that people who know her like her a lot and have nothing but great things to say about her. Frerichs? Not so much.
JBaller33 wrote:
rhimby wrote:
She is much more likely to be doping. She accuses others of doping at the drop of a hat, and seems to have very strong opinions about what "clean" athletes are capable of. She's salty that she's forced to dope herself up while clean athletes (like Frerichs) are able to trounce her and run times she could only dream of.
Well ok then. You might be the only person on here that doesn’t think Frerichs is doping. It’s SOOOOOOOO obvious. I don’t know for a fact that Emma is clean (who does?), but I do know that people who know her like her a lot and have nothing but great things to say about her. Frerichs? Not so much.
You're out of touch with the sport.
Most people here don't think either of them are doping.
Joe Bosshard go to bed.