I don’t understand how LR goes from hating on Oregon for years - their coaches, facilities, shoes, affiliation with Nike, teams, attitude, etc, to now hailing the indoor performances and claiming Hocker is a distance star...
I’ve long stopped trying to figure out who the LR latches onto as a new star - but it seems to be driven by whiteness more than anything. The greatest NCAA distance runner of all time, King Ches, was constantly derided on LR, and funny he was also a Duck.
He was older and foreign. Hocker is 19 and American. These qualities are important to most posters.
Richer than most wrote:
He was older and foreign. Hocker is 19 and American. These qualities are important to most posters.
Yep, tons of xenophobes here.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Yassofo wrote:
For sure only a fool would write him off. However, Hocker is going to be 20 in June and I guess he is about 9 months younger than Jakob Ingebrigtsen. If Jakob had doubled in the meet today and not been DQd, does anyone think Hocker can win the 3000m fresh? It seems unlikely. Just saying that while Hocker did great, is he is 7:35 shape? Maybe he is but as good as that is for a 19 year old, let us pump the brakes on this a bit.
It's just the mindset of the American running fanboy community. To overhype people who would be lucky enough to hold a Kenyan or Ethiopian runner's beer. Every year it's the same thing, on the male and female side.
Perhaps the fact that Kenya and Ethiopia don't have an LRC or equivalent and are a more humble culture in general is why they are busy training instead of pronouncing themselves as the next big thing prematurely. And not making fanboy youtube channels as if they is some kinds of running gods.
Proof your worth before making youtube fanboy channels.
last time i checked the reigning olympic champ in the 1500 is american? no one is touching the east africans in the longer events, but from 1500 down its either USA dominant or at least competitive.
I think Teare was winding it down though and was caught by surprise. He knew he had enough points.
I'd still take Teare to make the Olympics this year over Hocker.
Charlie Hunter as a 1500 runner for Australia would be interesting. I'm assuming he's pretty set to make the Olympics as he met the standard already and I don't think he'll have 3 people to beat him in the Australian trials?
It is sad that people in your generation such as Chris Lear are so butt hurt over these college kids. Even if these shoes are worth 3 seconds, which isn't even close to proven true, he is a 3:53 miler at 19. That puts him as a top 10 miler in the US at very least at 19 and he wasn't even pushed to run that 3:53. Chris Lear needs to stop thinking about some washed up runners for the 2000's and start realizing the talent these new kids have.
Ok7272 wrote:
Charlie Hunter as a 1500 runner for Australia would be interesting. I'm assuming he's pretty set to make the Olympics as he met the standard already and I don't think he'll have 3 people to beat him in the Australian trials?
Title + Standard = guaranteed selection.
2 & 3 are selected by a committee.
McSweyn, Hoare and Ramsden have the standard, Hunter does not.
and like someone else in this thread said, the top pros have got custom and experimental spikes for years. these college kids were running in doggy doo doo vic 3s 2 years ago.
but it's only unfair now that everyone gets to wear them
Right, top pros are faster than college kids because of their special magic spikes...
Now that everyone in college gets the magic spikes, how come only one of them is going fast? Don't they work for everyone?
It might of been mentioned earlier in the posts, but was this double ever achieved? If so, by who and when?
Ok, found it. It’s been done at least 8 times before. Lalang being the most recent. Nyambui did it 3X???
Ok7272 wrote:
I think Teare was winding it down though and was caught by surprise. He knew he had enough points.
I'd still take Teare to make the Olympics this year over Hocker.
Looked to me like he was going all out but we are talking about fractions of seconds.
It is a long time til june so we will have to see what type of 1500m/5000m time they are running but both look very competive. But given what everyone else has run, if you can run a 334, you have a really solid shot at making the 1500m team. The 5k seems a lot deeper with a lot more guys showing 13:10 type potential.
ducky now wrote:
But Hocker beat Teare in the 3k today in that scenario so I have to also have him beating Kitoo and Nuguse. Maybe it doesn't happen but you would have told me I was crazy if I said he would win the 3k over Teare.
Yes he beat him. But was part of that because Teare just assumed Hockerwasn't going to be a factor? That's the unanswered question.
Once Teare dusted Romo I think mentally he assumed he was cruising to the victory. Then all of the suddden Hocker starts to come back on him and he's stunned by that and loses. Yes Teare tried to respond, but if was in all out war with non-teammates would it have been the same? I don't know.
Only people who watch the workouts likely know.
The big question I have is. Does Teare congratulate Hocker and call him the "future of American distance running" because he saw in workouts that Hocker would soon be beating him , or did he do it like a big brother does to a little brother - knowing damn well he can say nice things as he's still in charge?
1500mloser wrote:
"It is sad that people in your generation such as Chris Lear are so butt hurt over these college kids. Even if these shoes are worth 3 seconds, which isn't even close to proven true, he is a 3:53 miler at 19. That puts him as a top 10 miler in the US at very least at 19 and he wasn't even pushed to run that 3:53. Chris Lear needs to stop thinking about some washed up runners for the 2000's and start realizing the talent these new kids have."
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Aren´t you aware that Hocker (and Teare) ran 3:50 in the mile last month? That equals 3:33 in the 1500m.
So they are even better than you think.
*shakes head* wrote:
The super shoes were available to most all ultra elites in 2019. Strangely, there didn’t seem to be any outlier performances in the 1500 and below in athletes utilising them (aside from Hassan’s 15 in Doha). The 5/10 is another story unto itself, as we have seen the last 2 years.
This may be the best post I've seen in years on here. Great post. IF you were posting under a registered name, I'd give you a free tshirt.
I never thought of that? Were the guys all wearing the super shoes in 2019 in the 1500?
He sees this kid running as fast as him but even younger, makes sense he called him the future of American distance running
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Really sick and tired of the obsession with cole.
If you are sick now, you will be dead pretty soon becasue the obsession is just getting started. Being really good at the most important event is like the age of Aquarius.
DC Wonk wrote:
I don’t understand how LR goes from hating on Oregon for years - their coaches, facilities, shoes, affiliation with Nike, teams, attitude, etc, to now hailing the indoor performances and claiming Hocker is a distance star...
I’ve long stopped trying to figure out who the LR latches onto as a new star - but it seems to be driven by whiteness more than anything. The greatest NCAA distance runner of all time, King Ches, was constantly derided on LR, and funny he was also a Duck.
Do you have a brain?
King Ches wasn't hyped up as the next star as he's not American and the community is looking to find the next American star. And many viewed him as being overaged.
Some people were hesitant to get on bored with Rupp simply because I had people callling me about Rupp and medication when he was a freshman at Oregon.
Race has nothing to do with it. Genetics? Yes. I think the average die hard letsrunner is American and they has no east african ancestry. The color of their skin has nothing to do with it. But when they see a guy with roughly their same genetic background doing it, they believe they have a shot at being elite. Yes in your mind everything has to be about since. And since east African descent and dark skinn are highly correlated, you think it's about that. It's not. If Cole Hocker's skin was purple , they'd be just as excited.
OriginalLurker wrote:
Ok7272 wrote:
Charlie Hunter as a 1500 runner for Australia would be interesting. I'm assuming he's pretty set to make the Olympics as he met the standard already and I don't think he'll have 3 people to beat him in the Australian trials?
Title + Standard = guaranteed selection.
2 & 3 are selected by a committee.
McSweyn, Hoare and Ramsden have the standard, Hunter does not.
What am I missing? Why would Hunter be looking for a 1500 spot, when outside of Bol, the 800 is wide open.
I think Hocker has been pushing Teare hard in workouts but looking less tired. Until now, he seemed to allow his elder team member to beat him but I don't see that happening going forward. Even thinking about the lineup, it appears that the coach had an inkling of what he had in Hocker. Ahead of time, I would have put Hocker in the DMR and 3k and Teare in the mile and 3k thinking that Teare was more likely to recover and have a chance at double gold.