Jakob and Henrik Ingebrigtsen are back!! Running road 5k on Wed. aiming to smash Norwegian road record of 13:37

Intent wasn't to insult Jakob, but rather point out that this likely wasn't that hard an effort for him and that the shoes are irrelevant. Rhonex ran his 26:24 in Takumi Sens. So it would be discouraging for him if he was out-of-breath and dying from a 13:29. What do you know he wasn't...

That's not because of the shoes, its because he's fit and thinks he likely could've run under 13:18 with a lighter training week /actually trying to run that sort of time.

Official time is 13:28.

Ingrid Ingebrigtsen that just turned 14 ran in 18:00.

2.5k threshold, 2k progression, 500m hard. Not the way one would expect a 20 year old to run 13:29 on the road.

I think he will run under 13 this year.

I'm curious why they even ran in the alpha fly's, I thought the vaporflies were better for shorter distances because they're lighter / less clunky?

Race summary:

(google translate)

Jakob and Henrik Ingebrigtsen both performed well during Sondre Norstad Moen's Norwegian record of 5 km street race on Forus on Wednesday evening.

And they did so after a vigorous half of the race. They passed 2.5 kilometers in just 7 minutes, and performed about half a minute better last part.

Jacob's new record reads at 13.28, while Henrik sprinted in four seconds later.

- During 13.30 I am very pleased, not so many in Norway who do it on the track once, says Jakob to Aftenbladet.

- And now we are in the middle of the training period. The heaviest week I've had was last week, so that says a bit about the performance, the 19-year-old adds.

Norstad Moe's Norwegian record, 13.37, was the goal when they started during the Spirit Athletics Club's street race.

In a five-run field, Jakob Ingebrigtsen was considered the strongest, and halfway he took the lead to set the pace. By the end of the race, only big brother Henrik followed, but Per Svela, Zewrei Mezngi and Narve Gilje Nordås all came in under 13.46.

Never before have times been so good in a field with only Norwegian runners, all except Mezngi belong to Gjert Ingebrigtsen's training team. The coach was very happy after the race.

- Yes, you should look for such a strong group for a long time, smiles Gjert Ingebrigtsen.

- Here was a lot to go on, Jacob could certainly have gone below the European record, says Gjert.

The European record of 5 km street race is held by Jimmy Gressier with 13.18.

Jacob admits he had a lot to go on.

- But it would be wrong to set a European record here and in this part of the season, says Jakob Ingebrigtsen.

"It is going so fast here now that the Norwegian record for Sondre Nordstad Moen is within reach," said NRK commentator Jann Post.

With 500 meters left, Jacob slid from the big brother and put in a solid finish.

"This is tremendously strong," Post said.

- It was a lot of fun, but I had to wake the body a little, said Jakob Ingebrigtsen, who was well pleased with the time.

- There were some technically demanding parties, Henrik told NRK, and made a message to his brother and training buddy Jakob.

- The strength of our relationship is good for you - so far.

Official results:

1. Jacob Ingebrigtsen 13.28

2. Henrik Ingebrigtsen 13,32

3. Per Svela 13.40

4. Zewrei Mezngi 13.44

5. Narve Gilje Nordås 13.45

Seppo Kaitenen wrote:

2.5k threshold, 2k progression, 500m hard. Not the way one would expect a 20 year old to run 13:29 on the road.

I think he will run under 13 this year.

Last 2 k in 5:04, last 500 in 70 seconds.

13:29? Meh.

AlphaQ wrote:

I'm curious why they even ran in the alpha fly's, I thought the vaporflies were better for shorter distances because they're lighter / less clunky?

Because Nike told them to run in them.

I think the last 2km was 5:03 (13:28 - 8:25).

And the last 3km was 7:50 (13:28 - 5:38). I understood from the speaker that they ran the first 2km in 2:49 per km.

You cannot know if it is his treshold pace! You need to know his lactate numbers before determining if it is treshold pace or not. Perhaps he could run faster before the curb of the lactate numbers breaks (that is what defines the treshold pace).

I think it is not the treshold pace BECAUSE:

a. When Jakob´s treshold pace in the beginning of 2018 after testing was rumoured to be between 21 and 22 km per hour the brothers reportedly ran their 12x 1000m repetitions in 2:55 per km. That was the pace the brothers could sustain by keeping the lactate number at 3.2-3.3.

2:55 per km equals 20.5 km per hour. So the pace of the 1000m repetitions was slower than Jakob´s treshold pace at the time (21.5 km per hour equals 2:47.5; 21.1km per hour equals 2:50.5 per km).

We can conclude that his treshold pace is well above his 1000m meter repetition pace (at lactate number 3.2-3.3).

b. In 2019 Jakob and Filip reportedly ran faster in training than ever on all distances. And I guess that the progression has continued into 2020 considering Jakob´s optimistic comments on his training and his potential in the half marathon.

So I guess he currently is running at least 2:50 on the 12x 1000m at the same lactate number as before (3.2-3.3).

And since we know from "a." above that the treshold pace is well above the 1000m repetition pace I guess that the treshold pace now is 22km per hour or higher. 22km per hour equals 2:43.5 per km.

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Do you get it?

Threshold is the pace that runners can run at for 1-hour. Do you really think Jakob is in 57:30 half shape? Don't make a fool out of yourself. No way his threshold, the value where he can still keep lactate levels at a steady level (3.0 mmol or whatever it is for him as slow-twitch runner) is 2:43/km! That would be the world record!

Again, he was doing at least a 40-minute continuous run on the treadmill in which he averaged over 21.1 km/hr. The pace was at 21.5 at the point he shows on Instagram. So he ran at least 40 minutes at sub-60 half pace on the treadmill.

The treadmill is easier than the road. I don't know exactly how much; it depends what grade he set it to, how much overheating impacts him, his biomechanics, etc. No, he wasn't in 57:50 shape, but I think it's safe to say he was in sub-60 shape when he ran that, and likely faster now.

Threshold

You might be interested to know that Jakob answered about his threshold just after his 5k run

this week.

Reporter asked if he could say something about one of his best sessions now. And Jakob told about

a 10 x 1000 m, done on tartan. he started out at 2.49, ended it on 2.43, 2.42, 2.45, 2.43.

And this was done alone.