Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

I’m already convinced the Russian army is garbage, just like you.

Did you figure out how to read tables on Wikipedia yet, or are you still too stupid?

Did you figure out how I could have family in Ukraine, but not be Ukrainian? Note, several random children figured this out in under a minute. You’ve puzzled over it for weeks.

Did you figure out the Jimmy Dore and Clayton Morris are moronic shills that couldn’t find Russia on a map, let alone Ukraine?

How much did striking power plants in Lviv help Russia defend Kherson? Or, was occupying and annexing Kherson just another feint, you clueless lunatic?

Zelensky has laid out very reasonable demands to begin negotiations with Russia. Putin refuses to follow them. Therefore, all further death is entirely Russia’s fault - and I’m seeing lots of reports of hapless mobiks being absolutely slaughter. Oh well.

The blood is on the hands of people like you

You’re the one that supports Russia invading and killing people. I support the easiest possible solution to end the killing - Putin orders every last Russia troop out of Ukraine. They’ve already shown they’re quite good at retreating. War could be over by the end of the week. You don’t support this simple solution - ergo, the blood is on your hands for continuing to support Russian murderers.

The US ambassador to Ukraine talking about Ukraine with the Assistant Secretary of State? Sounds like they were both doing their job. I hear the secretary of defense sometimes talks to his generals as well.

Pretty sure backing a violent overthrow of an elected govt and being caught on tape discussing who they were going to place at the head of the new government is not the job of ambassador.

Pretty sure you still have no idea what you’re talking about

The violence was perpetrated by the government against the civilian protesters.

They did not place (nor discuss) placing anyone at the head of the new government. That’s the voices in your head saying that.

And, by your “logic” Russia has no business backing the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. Yet, you completely support them. Is that because you’re a hypocritical idiot or a moronic pro-Putin clown?

by WorldTribune Staff, March 25, 2022

Victoria Nuland, who is currently serving as Team Biden’s Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, was caught on tape in 2014 planning what was essentially a coup in which a U.S.-chosen candidate would be installed as Ukraine’s leader.

“Back in 2014 Nuland was very busy in Ukraine,” The Gateway Pundit noted in its report on the leaked call. “She was seen passing out cakes to protesters in Kiev, Ukraine at that time. A few weeks after this the protests in that country got violent and a number of individuals died during these riots.

During the leaked call, Nuland and former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Pyatt discuss events in Ukraine. Nuland mentions Jake Sullivan in the call as well as Joe Biden, who was President Barack Obama’s point man on Ukraine.

In their 2014 phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should join a unity government in Ukraine. Nuland notified Pyatt that after the review of the three opposition candidates for the post of prime minister, the U.S. State Department had selected Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

“So in essence what occurred was that the former government of Ukraine was deposed, and the United States, with Biden at the helm, helped stage a coup and then pick the man they decided should lead Ukraine, not the duly elected head of the government,” Law Enforcement Today’s Jim Patrick noted.

Ironically, the phone call occurred at about the same time Hunter Biden was appointed to the board at Burisma Energy Holdings, one of the largest such companies in Ukraine, despite having no experience in the energy sector.

In the leaked 2014 phone conversation Nuland expressed frustration with the European Union’s response to the situation in Ukraine.

“So, that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN [United Nations] help glue it. And, you know, F–k the EU,” Nuland said.

Pyatt said: “So let me work on Klitschko [former mayor of Kyiv] and if you can just keep…we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych [deposed Ukrainian president] but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.”

Nuland: “So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [U.S. vice-president’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Nuland continued: “Good. I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.”

Pyatt: “Yeah. I guess…in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I’m just thinking in terms of the process moving ahead and we want to keep the moderate Democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok and his guys…”

Nuland: “I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the…what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I think Klitsch going in…he’s going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it’s just not gonna work.”

Oh wow! A lunatic nutjob website has a lunatic nutjob take on something. The average IQ of the person reading worldtribune.com is negative thirty-seven. Let me guess, you get most of your news from worldtribune.com?

How may tribute posters do I have.

At least four

All of them have the same argument.

Name calling.

Nothing else.

Oh, so some f*cktard that writes articles for “Law Enforcement Today” a nutjob blog, said that the US decided who should lead Ukraine, worldtribune quotes him like he’s some sort of authoritative source, while in reality he couldn’t count to ten without using his fingers, let alone fine Ukraine on a map, and Carmine then quoted worldtribune to support his ridiculous argument. Carmine, you’re falling for propaganda AGAIN. Be better.

The transcript speaks for itself

Yes. And it says NOTHING about the US appointing anyone to lead Ukraine, you f*cking dipsh*t. If your could read, you would know that.

Zelenskyy has said that's their intent.

The next major front in the war will likely be Ukraine pushing south along a line between Zaporizhia and Melitopal to divide the Russian forces in the south and to target supply routes from Crimea with long range artillery. The intent will be push the western front back to Crimea and, if they're successful, they'd want to keep going there.

To take Crimea efficiently though probably requires shutting down shipping lanes to Russia and it's not clear that the west would supply the weaponry for Ukraine to do so.

As has been stated many times there is nothing in the transcript saying what you are claiming it says.

You are a proven liar hundreds of times over.

carmine9 is so idiotic that he doesn't even identify the true cause of systemic weakness and Putin-dependency in Europe: the green environmental energy movement:

The diseased environmental chickens will come home to roost for Germany and UK this winter. Many poor people will freeze to death for a belief in a ridiculous theory founded on manipulated and false data.

None of this absolves Putin and his robotic serfs who are perpetrating their evil in Ukraine. In the short-term they must be repelled or exterminated like the vermin they are at the doorstep of civilization that took over a millennium to build, yet is being attacked both from within and without.

This is where carmine9's argument always shipwrecks -- the transcript doesn't say what he and his secondary sources claim it says. That State Department officers speculate and voice preferences on events in other countries doesn't mean that they cause those preferences to come to fruition.

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