Official Brett Kavanaugh confirmation thread

No evidence? No problem! #metoo wrote:

I'm so glad Democrats actually care about Dr. Ford and aren't just using her for political and monetary gain. Thank God we have people who want justice and will not rest until disgusting Brett Kavanaugh has been destroyed.

Well, the Democrats believe in killing innocent unborn human beings. Besmirching someone's reputation isn't such a big deal compared to that.

His mom was a circuit judge in Maryland. His dad was an attorney and CEO of a trade association, a pretty cushy job. Kavanaugh is so surrounded by privilege he doesn't even know what connections he has. He takes it for granted.

"Economist Raj Chetty has shown that children whose parents are in the top 1 percent of earners are 77 times more likely to attend an Ivy League school than are the children of poorer parents — meaning that, in cases like this, admission is less about talent and more about coming from the right family. "

And in the 80s the Ivys weren't as hard to get into as they are now. There wasn't any college prep or SAT study for most people. Far fewer people were clamoring to get in--the middle class wasn't as squeezed and the same 10 schools weren't seen as the only route to a good life. Look at wejo and rojo--they can't even write.

He did graduate first from his competitive prep school, while also being drunk a lot of the time, so I will say he is academically talented. But he really didn't come off as anything beyond mediocre during his hearing. He actually seemed buffoonish. I'd say he was born on 2nd base.

Ok, so people on a DC forum say someone has been posting as Bart O'Kavanaugh for years "on the grossly offensive legal forum AutoAdmit. It may be a coincidence, but he works in the law, knows people in DC law firms, likes the NBA, and forced his partner to engage in a more risque interpretation of “boofing”.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2005720&mc=3&forum_id=2

Can one of you geniuses figure out if it's him? I can't even read it.

You seem to be one of the few sane non-partisan hacks here. From what I've seen, she is telling the truth, and he never even realized that what he did was terrible. That's not surprising if you know the mentality of these kind of frat boys. Women are objects to them, until they get married, then it's all different, for some. There's a reason they banned DKE at Yale. I'm not into the extreme PC culture at all, there are many crazy identity politics leftists I detest here at Yale, but that doesn't change anything about the fact that how these guys view women is just wrong. Things were different thirty years ago, sure, but that's no excuse. It's still not acceptable from today's perspective.

Btw, to get into Yale Law, you have to be smart. But to get into Yale college, you don't have to be exceptionally smart. I teach ugrads here, and while you do see the occasional genius, the majority is actually not that smart in terms of raw IQ. There are all very eloquent and have impressive CVs, but when it comes to hard facts like mathematical ability, I was surprised how mediocre the average college kid is.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Of course it is perfectly ok to make up stuff about a man that you disagree with. Or use a woman if it suits your political end. Robespierre justice.

We already knew that you think that way, since that's what you do all the time on this message board.

Dude don't challenge me...seriously. I'm all over this like stink on a monkey. Have you read her full declaration? Have you read the news stories about her ex-boyfriend that paint HIM as the one who is not reliable? Have you heard Avenatti talk about the declaration and push back on the news anchors' assertion that it doesn't say Kavanaugh assaulted her? Avenatti is saying she was gang raped and that Kavanaugh was one of the participants and that she saw them both awaiting their turn with a "girl" in one of the rooms after they helped drug her. She then became a victim of one of these gang rapes where she says in the declaration that "Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present". This is the part Avenatti push back on and said that does NOT mean they didn't rape her and said that in fact she is alleging that Kavanaugh did. Avenatti has also said in one of his interviews that Swetnick did not know for sure what was going on in these rooms where she saw the line up of "boys" until it happened to her...then she put it together and never went to another such party.

Regarding the parties, I have said this before, but it was a tad different when the drinking age was 18 (just turned to 21 in 1982, but Kavanaugh drank beer supposedly in high school the whole time). These people, especially people two years older than Kavanaugh at the time like Swetnick often were at "house parties" as Swetnick called them with people who were still in high school. She went to a party at a house. It wasn't a "high school" party. She went to parties where Kavanaugh and Judge often were. She didn't go there because they were there...they just WERE there. I went to high school in the 80s, and while I was NOT a partier, I knew guys who were, and they often had stories of going to parties where there were lots of college aged and even older people. I remember one such dude (he was a dude) on our cross country team who was teased by a couple of his buddies for "hooking up with that old lady". What's old to an 18 year old?

It's a shame this whole damn country has become so partisan.... it's been going that way for some time...pushed by both political parties. Sadly Trump doesn't help... and yes that's the truth.

This hearing was always going to be a circus and it was always going to be a he said /she said... Ford came off believable and all Kav had to do was act like a judge... you know, just say he didn't do it and say he felt sorry for the Ford but it wasn't him. If he'd have done that he'd have been clear in my mind.... Instead what's he do? He tries to win the favor of Trump and joins in on the partisanship... In my mind, that's a bad move even if he is right that it's some big made up conspiracy about him.

To me if you want to be a supreme court judge you should act like one. Be above the fray. That is not what he did.

I no longer think he should be on the supreme court. Trump should pick his next in line an move on.

Flagpole wrote:

There is no question that he is intellectually gifted.

Kavanaugh is one of the stupidest people that I've ever seen.

Yes it is! In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

1) A TON of women also wrote a letter of support for Al Franken also. The sexual assault and the raping doesn't happen to every person that a rapist meets. And by the way, even though I thought Franken was smart and a great senator, I fully supported his resignation after the allegations.

2) Regarding watching his wife during the hearing, sorry, but I can make a judgement about what she thinks about things he said by watching her reaction. She seemed especially not on board when he talked about the drinking. Pretty sure she's seen him sloshed many times, and as many have reported he was a "mean drunk", I'm guessing she probably saw that too. Facial expressions and body language tell a lot to observant people. I am one of those people.

copy&paste wrote:

Ok, so people on a DC forum say someone has been posting as Bart O'Kavanaugh for years "on the grossly offensive legal forum AutoAdmit. It may be a coincidence, but he works in the law, knows people in DC law firms, likes the NBA, and forced his partner to engage in a more risque interpretation of “boofing”.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2005720&mc=3&forum_id=2

Can one of you geniuses figure out if it's him? I can't even read it.

Not him. Username changes on that website apply retroactively, so when someone recently changed his name to "Bart O'Kavanaugh" it applied to all the posts he's made for the last 10+ years.

Hardloper wrote:

copy&paste wrote:

Ok, so people on a DC forum say someone has been posting as Bart O'Kavanaugh for years "on the grossly offensive legal forum AutoAdmit. It may be a coincidence, but he works in the law, knows people in DC law firms, likes the NBA, and forced his partner to engage in a more risque interpretation of “boofing”.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2005720&mc=3&forum_id=2

Can one of you geniuses figure out if it's him? I can't even read it.

Not him. Username changes on that website apply retroactively, so when someone recently changed his name to "Bart O'Kavanaugh" it applied to all the posts he's made for the last 10+ years.

Wow, that was fast. I pat myself on the back for knowing where to take this scintillating info to. Thanks!

Sorry for posting a disgusting link. Hope it doesn't corrupt anyone.

1) Sounds like he was privileged. Guess he lied about that too then.

2) With regard to the AutoAdmit thing, certainly lots of similarities, but at a quick glance it doesn't seem like it could be him...some posts the last couple days...I would think he would have been preoccupied. He also mentions a "girlfriend" in the particular thread you linked to, so unless he is referring to his wife as that or has a girlfriend on the side (who knows), I don't think it's him.

I haven't been on this thread in almost 24 hours. I'll admit the more I think about this the more I wonder if his entire drinking answer was dishonest. Why wouldn't he just say, "Yes, I've sometimes drank too much where I don't remember small aspects of a night. But I've never committed sexual assault." And he also went into the "I've fallen asleep" versus "passed out." That shit reminds me so much of Clinton's definition of is is argument. Like the only way it's true is if he means he never drank so much that he forgot an entire night, not just small aspects.

Anyway, it's starting to REALLY bother me.

One could argue that if he said he ever blacked out that they dems could say he is a rapist but it's really bothering me more and more that he may have perjured himself.

Unlike 99% of you, I want to find the truth not support one side or the other. So let me respond to an argument I keep seeing.

I think you don't understand a lot of the people's thoughts. My main thought all along is you can't 'convict' a man with zero evidence and with 4 witnesses saying they have no recollection of the event. It's not he said'-she said. It's she said vs he-said (Kavanaugh), he said (JUdge), he said (PJ) and she said (Keyser). So why wouldn't people believe him?

Plus none of their houses are remotely similar to the one she describes. So it makes no sense. All 4 people deny being there and none of their houses worksThat's why I thought the guy who came up with doppleganger was actually possibly on something even though so many were mocking him on the Internet.

You don't have to believe one over the other. They both can be telling the truth. She believes this happened to her and that Kavanaugh was the one. But it could have been another friend of judge's - like one who actually has a house like the one described.

There's another thing I've been thinking about. It's hard for me to believe she is just entirely making this up. I mean she wasn't even friends with Judge/Kavanaugh. THey weren't in the same social circles as these schools didn't hang out. So if you think she's is entirely making this up - versus a mistake identity (or Kavanaugh being the one and lying about it) -- can you tell me how would she know to include the names Judge/Kavanaugh/PJ. Where would she get all of those names from? How would she know Judge/Kavanaugh and PJ were friends. Are these guys on facebook?I doubt it. Where would she get their names?

I mean it would be next to impossible for me make up a story about being raped by a woman and her friends and to name that women and her friends if it never happened and the woman didn't go to a school I regularly hung out with.

She almost certainly hung out with Judge who seems to have had some real serious issues. That's why the doppleganger thing seems like a real possibility to me if it wasn't Kavanaugh himself. I'm glad there will be a delay. No reason to rush things.

So right wingers, answer these questions for me. Clearly, I woke up in the middle of the night wondering these things (3:30 am now).

Here is the doppleganger theory:

Kavanaugh is a liar. Why did he lie under oath? Obvious disqualifier for a Supreme court justice, What else is he lying about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLLjYGBWLyo

Flagpole - You are incorrect on this. Read the declaration...carefully. Also, your personal high school experiences have nothing to do with this case. Why even bring them up.

A warning wrote:

Be careful, men. You know that drunken one night-stand you had in college 30 years ago? Well she has a daughter, and that daughter is being "educated" right now in a class, or a seminar, or a talk show that a drunk woman can't consent to sex, and she's going to come home and tell Mom what she learned, then poof.... you're a rapist. Don't help create a world where a woman must believed, even when no concrete evidence exists. What other crime requires such a low threshold for proof?

Don't think this won't happen to you. Don't be naive. The vast majority of women don't lie, but some sure will. They will even lie about sexual assault. There are plenty of ruined lives to attest to that.

So your advice is, "Don't have sex with a woman who is drunk."

Sounds sensible to me.

Not a besmircher wrote:

No evidence? No problem! #metoo wrote:

I'm so glad Democrats actually care about Dr. Ford and aren't just using her for political and monetary gain. Thank God we have people who want justice and will not rest until disgusting Brett Kavanaugh has been destroyed.

Well, the Democrats believe in killing innocent unborn human beings. Besmirching someone's reputation isn't such a big deal compared to that.

I'm a pro-life Democrat.

And I oppose moral relativism.

Perfectly sensible and moral and in line with a person of sound character.

Never trust a drunk man.

You’re an anonymous internet troll. Nobody cares whose boots you lick every November, nor was anyone surprised at your choice of boot.

Fat hurts wrote:

Not a besmircher wrote:

Well, the Democrats believe in killing innocent unborn human beings. Besmirching someone's reputation isn't such a big deal compared to that.

I'm a pro-life Democrat.

And I oppose moral relativism.

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