Lot’s 4:07 is insane. Idk which event he plans to prioritize at state (or if he’s doubling) but he’s looking pretty good this time of the season.
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reekrutemint wrote:
coachy wrote:
I feel like if you have 2800 kids at your school you shouldn’t need to recruit from the outside. Maybe you just can’t get the kids to come out or can’t coach them up? They might just be bad at coaching.
The private schools are smaller and maybe some good athletes just go there because they want a better athletic program and better academics? Is that “recruiting”?
Every student at a private school, even non athletes, must be recruited. The school has to convince parents to pay tuition at a private school vs going free to public school. (Otherwise they quickly go out of business)
If the private school cares about sports, and has healthy finances, they can choose to offer scholarships to athletes in hope of fielding winning teams.
You have a much different definition of “recruiting” than most.
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coachy wrote:
reekrutemint wrote:
Every student at a private school, even non athletes, must be recruited. The school has to convince parents to pay tuition at a private school vs going free to public school. (Otherwise they quickly go out of business)
If the private school cares about sports, and has healthy finances, they can choose to offer scholarships to athletes in hope of fielding winning teams.
You have a much different definition of “recruiting” than most.
No, I understand generally what athletic recruitment is. I understand if a coach calls me and my son and suggests we move to his town to attend the public school there, so my son can be part of a State champ xc team, this is 'recruiting'.
Still this problem/opportunity is different for prep schools, catholic schools, private day schools, public schools with school choice, and public schools and it's important to understand the differences.
If a top runner transfers from public high school to catholic school, no moving is necessary, but parents May need to pay tuition.
If a parent gets a new job and family must relocate to LA area, it's perfectly normal for the parent to do some research and seek out the best athletic/academic fit for their kids. This happens quite often, and the screams of recruiting! follow, if good runners land at a good running school.
For non athletes, private schools have a marketing department, specifically to produce brochures, films, websites, open House, etc to convince parents it's better to pay for school than to go public.
Public schools just enroll who shows up.
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UCLA looks like complete dog sh!t at Big 10s. WTF is going on in Westwood.
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Bruins are Shoddy wrote:
UCLA looks like complete dog sh!t at Big 10s. WTF is going on in Westwood.
Coaching is terrible in almost every discipline
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They beat USC in the Duel meet. That's all that matters!
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Burning down LA wrote:
Bruins are Shoddy wrote:
UCLA looks like complete dog sh!t at Big 10s. WTF is going on in Westwood.
Coaching is terrible in almost every discipline
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
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Whatisdis wrote:
Burning down LA wrote:
Coaching is terrible in almost every discipline
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
NCAA XC regionals
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This is true.
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Similar story in the 3200
Lott - 9:14
Daillak - 9:23
On the girls side Buchanan had 4 in the top 5.11 -
4 by eight wrote:
Some more potential dark horses in the 4x800 - some of them probably won’t win but they could make things interesting
Beckman. They won Clovis handily, and after that, they were ranked top 5 in the country until the sections and state meet when Nguyen has injury problems. They return 3 guys under 2, and 3 just over, which includes two transfers that joined their varsity. Many of those guys have improved in the fall.
Oaks Christian. Had a historic cross country season. Won the first boys XC state title in D4. Also was top 5 in the overall merge. They have 2 low sticks Yoder and McNee and a couple of more guys under 2:02. They had 5 guys under 15:50 in cross so they had guys who made big jumps from spring 2024
Yosemite. Not a great XC team last fall because they lacked a 5th man, but barring injury, they still have 4 talented seniors, which is how many a 4x800 team needs - Olney twins, Stegge, Ruiz. This team probably won’t win, but will likely do better than it did during cross country
Ruiz isn’t running track this year. Doesn’t appear to be on the roster either
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SS LIVE RESULTS
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Whatisdis wrote:
Burning down LA wrote:
Coaching is terrible in almost every discipline
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
UCLA’s distance is downright revolting. I cannot fathom even a modicum of respect for them. The crazy this is they have some talent. But good god, they absolutely suck. It's like their potential was instantaneously sucked into a black hole of disappointment. It's nauseating!
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XC is getting dropped wrote:
Whatisdis wrote:
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
UCLA’s distance is downright revolting. I cannot fathom even a modicum of respect for them. The crazy this is they have some talent. But good god, they absolutely suck. It's like their potential was instantaneously sucked into a black hole of disappointment. It's nauseating!
Thanks for weighing in Sean!
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XC is getting dropped wrote:
Whatisdis wrote:
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
UCLA’s distance is downright revolting. I cannot fathom even a modicum of respect for them. The crazy this is they have some talent. But good god, they absolutely suck. It's like their potential was instantaneously sucked into a black hole of disappointment. It's nauseating!
When was UCLA distance ever been good? It may have been decent back in the Bob Larson days, but nowadays it's pretty subpar for distance running. It's scary to see the amount of talent that goes there and doesn't perform well. Even their sprints aren't really impressive. Just thought you should know.
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XC is getting dropped wrote:
Whatisdis wrote:
No kidding. At NCAA regionals, UCLA coaches only ran 2 athletes on the men’s side
UCLA’s distance is downright revolting. I cannot fathom even a modicum of respect for them. The crazy this is they have some talent. But good god, they absolutely suck. It's like their potential was instantaneously sucked into a black hole of disappointment. It's nauseating!
Funny, I kind of bought into the “UCLA has gone downhill since Brosnan left” narrative, but just did a quick comparison.
2023 Brosnan’s year
800 - 4 under 1:54 with a 1:49.67 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:39.32 best
5000 – 1 under 15:00 with a 14:17 best
2025 season so far
800 – 6 under 1:54 with a 1:47.60 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:40.96 best
5000 – 5 under 15:00 with a 13:37 best
UCLA is substantially better than they were during Brosnan’s tenure when everyone thought things were going so great. Now, apparently it’s a dumpster fire when they are doing better. I don’t understand.310 -
we hear ya wrote:
XC is getting dropped wrote:
UCLA’s distance is downright revolting. I cannot fathom even a modicum of respect for them. The crazy this is they have some talent. But good god, they absolutely suck. It's like their potential was instantaneously sucked into a black hole of disappointment. It's nauseating!
Funny, I kind of bought into the “UCLA has gone downhill since Brosnan left” narrative, but just did a quick comparison.
2023 Brosnan’s year
800 - 4 under 1:54 with a 1:49.67 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:39.32 best
5000 – 1 under 15:00 with a 14:17 best
2025 season so far
800 – 6 under 1:54 with a 1:47.60 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:40.96 best
5000 – 5 under 15:00 with a 13:37 best
UCLA is substantially better than they were during Brosnan’s tenure when everyone thought things were going so great. Now, apparently it’s a dumpster fire when they are doing better. I don’t understand.let’s be honest he had All-Americans and NCAA qualifiers with a team he didn’t recruit in one year at UCLA. What he did was very impressive. Who in the world has the time to look up these bias stats? I hope to god this is not the current UCLA coach. If it is, maybe that’s the answer we’re looking for on why.
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superstriker wrote:
Some of my thoughts on the CIF southern section division 3 prelims distance races run today -- in 99+ degree weather and a look ahead to next week
-- 1600 boys Evan Noonan looked smooth today. He controlled the race and put everyone away with ease. He has a really strong chance to win next week. Maybe Griffen Kushen or Dickram push him a bit before he blows them away.
-- 1600 girls Times were definitely impacted by the weather. I think Annie Ivarsson can win the Division 3 race but the 3 race winners - Bulmer, Lieberman or Williams also have a chance. Regardless these girls likely will have strong competition to make it through to the masters meet.
-800 boys -- Seems to be fairly open going into next week with Zephas, Zavala and Halverson the most likely win contenders.
-800 girls -- Grace Smith was the most impressive winner of the girls 800m prelims. That being said I wouldn't rule out Ivarsson, Robar or others next week. Nice to see Natalie Cottrill qualify in both the 800 and high jump. I don't think I've previously seen someone qualify in these two distinct events.
-3200 boys -- Keep in mind these guys were running in 99+ degree weather. Evan Noonan was in full control of his race today and will likely win his combined (d2 and d3) 3200 race next week. Unfortunate to see his teammate barely miss out on qualifying on time. Liam Miller was an impressive winner of the second heat, which was more heavily contested of the two heats. Noonan beat Miller multiple times during the 2024 cross country season. I think next week might be the first time that they've gone head to head during the 2025 track season. Liam may have gotten injured at some point after the CA winter meet as he didn't run in many races this spring. I think Liam Miller has a real shot at qualifying for the masters meet.
-3200 girls -- Summer Wilson won with grit and a strong kick. This is the best that I've seen her run so far this year. I can't speak to her fitness and health/injury levels earlier in the year but if you compare her first 600-800 meters at the Nike Indoor meet, Arcadia and this race they are near polar opposites. In those prior races, she seemed to have trouble settling early in the larger fields fighting for position she may have wasted a lot of energy and her arm carriage may have been off a bit. It is nice to see her form coming into shape when it matters most. Her biggest competition is likely to come from the d2 girls in their combined race.
CIF SS division finals about to kick off on the somewhat terrible paid website NFHS. Let's enjoy some great running today.
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Where to Run in AZ wrote:
we hear ya wrote:
Funny, I kind of bought into the “UCLA has gone downhill since Brosnan left” narrative, but just did a quick comparison.
2023 Brosnan’s year
800 - 4 under 1:54 with a 1:49.67 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:39.32 best
5000 – 1 under 15:00 with a 14:17 best
2025 season so far
800 – 6 under 1:54 with a 1:47.60 best
1500 – 5 under 3:50 with a 3:40.96 best
5000 – 5 under 15:00 with a 13:37 best
UCLA is substantially better than they were during Brosnan’s tenure when everyone thought things were going so great. Now, apparently it’s a dumpster fire when they are doing better. I don’t understand.let’s be honest he had All-Americans and NCAA qualifiers with a team he didn’t recruit in one year at UCLA. What he did was very impressive. Who in the world has the time to look up these bias stats? I hope to god this is not the current UCLA coach. If it is, maybe that’s the answer we’re looking for on why.
Full disclosure I think Brosnan is too polarizing for most but a very good coach.The new coach is flat out doing better. Why is what Brosnan did impressive, when it’s clearly not as good as the what the current coach is doing? It’s really not even close. They both had the same amount of time to recruit and Brosnan left a way worse roster due to his lack of recruiting. Typical Brosnan gas lighting.
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Agreed! Ucla is a terrible running program.
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