Robert Young fakes run across America

Investigator wrote:

Any citable source for the 1s recording, like DCrainmaker or TomTom site?

table at the bottom of the review shows a recording interval of 1 second.

Investigator wrote:

1 2 3 green wrote:

Agree we definitely need to explain how we got this file too

Any citable source for the 1s recording, like DCrainmaker or TomTom site?

We have a screenshot of the data on the original Joanna Hanasz account:

This shows the activity has an elapsed time of 5:06:21. 18381 seconds.

team1.kml managed to save the GPX files directly from this account before the activities were deleted, but unfortunately that only saves the lat/lons and excludes any timing data. However, the file for this activity contains exactly 18382 lat/lon points. Clearly it's 1s recording. We were only missing the start time, and we can get a pretty good estimate of that from the OpenTracker data, or surrounding activities.

Perfect thanks for the 1s cite and the math.

I'm sure some of yall already have looked, but unfortunately this run doesn't show up on tomtom screenshots.

The 2.81mi run right before it

https://www.strava.com/activities/617268803

tomtom screenshot

http://i.imgur.com/6q9RX4v.jpg

The 1.0mi run after

https://www.strava.com/activities/617268782

screenshot here.

http://i.imgur.com/azj3NpI.jpg

. On this one you can also see the 2.81 mile run barely visible at the bottom. This run should be between them.

Investigator wrote:

Perfect thanks for the 1s cite and the math.

Getting stuck in date formatting land here, going to just dump these. Someone else is better at formatting gpx files and adding seconds than I am :-)

These are details of the team1.kml tracker data associated with the beginning point of each of Joanna's and Rob's initial uploads. Note that a lot of Rob's are still up but that some have been removed.

The next guy who attempts a record like this needs to get LetsRun to sign on as a sponsor, and he needs to hire some of you guys for his support team to to take charge of his data recording! In fact, I'm wondering if any of you know an ultra runner we could recruit to take on this record. Looking at the math it does seem doable (not for me, but for someone!). We could all get behind this person and help him or her do it the right way! Just a thought.

Advice for the next guy wrote:

The next guy who attempts a record like this needs to get LetsRun to sign on as a sponsor, and he needs to hire some of you guys for his support team to to take charge of his data recording! In fact, I'm wondering if any of you know an ultra runner we could recruit to take on this record. Looking at the math it does seem doable (not for me, but for someone!). We could all get behind this person and help him or her do it the right way! Just a thought.

I'll drive the arvie!

Just wondering...

Let's assume the best of Jamie SKINS, that they actually want to do a thorough and objective investigation of all the evidence...

What does this mean for Dustin?

If they decide Rob was cheating, that means their employee was complicit. In that case I'd expect a very public sacking of Dustin.

Of course this is the most optimistic possible assumption about Jamie's integrity...

Advice for the next guy wrote:

The next guy who attempts a record like this needs to get LetsRun to sign on as a sponsor, and he needs to hire some of you guys for his support team to to take charge of his data recording! In fact, I'm wondering if any of you know an ultra runner we could recruit to take on this record. Looking at the math it does seem doable (not for me, but for someone!). We could all get behind this person and help him or her do it the right way! Just a thought.

Let's sponsor Joe Fejes or that blind ultrarunner!

Tunneling expert wrote:

Just wondering...

Let's assume the best of Jamie SKINS, that they actually want to do a thorough and objective investigation of all the evidence...

What does this mean for Dustin?

If they decide Rob was cheating, that means their employee was complicit. In that case I'd expect a very public sacking of Dustin.

Of course this is the most optimistic possible assumption about Jamie's integrity...

Michael works for SKINS, not Dustin.

team1.kml wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Perfect thanks for the 1s cite and the math.

Getting stuck in date formatting land here, going to just dump these. Someone else is better at formatting gpx files and adding seconds than I am :-)

These are details of the team1.kml tracker data associated with the beginning point of each of Joanna's and Rob's initial uploads. Note that a lot of Rob's are still up but that some have been removed.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=1165529748

I suggest these posted to a brand new strava account to avoid confusion with existing data.

As someone suggested, once these are posted, we can crowd-source the actual start times of these. It wouldn't be too much work to add the closest matching tracker endpoint to these records.

Tunneling expert wrote:

Just wondering...

Let's assume the best of Jamie SKINS, that they actually want to do a thorough and objective investigation of all the evidence...

What does this mean for Dustin?

If they decide Rob was cheating, that means their employee was complicit. In that case I'd expect a very public sacking of Dustin.

Of course this is the most optimistic possible assumption about Jamie's integrity...

Dustin isn't a SKINS employee, he has his own business and is Rob's fellow East Sheen resident, book ghost writer, media and data manipulator amongst other things.

Also, re the copying of the Serpentine stuff, the Serpentine Club are well known around the Sheen and Richmond Park area and for the late legendary Frank Horwill who probably wrote that training advice which was copied from the Serpentine running site.

Serpentine wrote:

Tunneling expert wrote:

Just wondering...

Let's assume the best of Jamie SKINS, that they actually want to do a thorough and objective investigation of all the evidence...

What does this mean for Dustin?

If they decide Rob was cheating, that means their employee was complicit. In that case I'd expect a very public sacking of Dustin.

Of course this is the most optimistic possible assumption about Jamie's integrity...

Dustin isn't a SKINS employee, he has his own business and is Rob's fellow East Sheen resident, book ghost writer, media and data manipulator amongst other things.

Also, re the copying of the Serpentine stuff, the Serpentine Club are well known around the Sheen and Richmond Park area and for the late legendary Frank Horwill who probably wrote that training advice which was copied from the Serpentine running site.

The fanboys always said "you guys are conspiracy theorists, why would the other people go along if this wasn't real". Umm, to sell books, and to keep their job/income? Not complicated stuff...

Hiro wrote:

I wrote an executive summary, you can find it here:

http://ryinvestigation.blogspot.com/p/a-summary-of-major-pieces-of-evidence.html

It ended up being longer than I originally planned, but I think it is a good introduction to everything that has been uncovered in the investigation. I tried to write it in a way that would be accessible to non-runners. Let me know if you have any suggestions.

Even as someone who has been following this thread from day 1 this was very hard to compile. It simply isn't possible to sort through this thread, and the google doc doesn't have a lot of context in it. Without more high level, easy to understand material, our accusations won't get much traction.

Maybe your summary should be emailed to the whoever wrote the guardian article, and others. There needs to be a follow up to the original story.

Point Made wrote:

I was just checking in to see what you all were still talking about. The guy cheated. You proved it a couple thousand pages ago. What now is the point of all this?

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Investigator wrote:

Tunneling expert wrote:

Just wondering...

Let's assume the best of Jamie SKINS, that they actually want to do a thorough and objective investigation of all the evidence...

What does this mean for Dustin?

If they decide Rob was cheating, that means their employee was complicit. In that case I'd expect a very public sacking of Dustin.

Of course this is the most optimistic possible assumption about Jamie's integrity...

Michael works for SKINS, not Dustin.

Oh yeah got my buffoons mixed up. Please now answer with Michael Sphincter in place of Dustin.

Point Made wrote:

I was just checking in to see what you all were still talking about. The guy cheated. You proved it a couple thousand pages ago. What now is the point of all this?

The point is that Rob and his team still claim the record attempt was run, not RV ridden. And Rob is still being sponsored by Skins and is planning future challenges. And we haven't got the outcome from Skins CEO Jaimie Fuller's independent investigation into the record attempt.

team1.kml wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Perfect thanks for the 1s cite and the math.

Getting stuck in date formatting land here, going to just dump these. Someone else is better at formatting gpx files and adding seconds than I am :-)

These are details of the team1.kml tracker data associated with the beginning point of each of Joanna's and Rob's initial uploads. Note that a lot of Rob's are still up but that some have been removed.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=1165529748

I was looking through the Strava Details tab of your spreadsheet, and trying to match the runs with my tracker/tomtom spreadsheet. I noticed this strava run (https://www.strava.com/activities/619872022) seems to match the last tomtom screenshot on this image (http://i.imgur.com/recBBqD.jpg) based on elapsed time, but Strava is giving him .2 more miles. Anyone have an explanation?

I feel bad for these people who think this guy is "legit" and "the real deal" and are "gutted" for Rob:

https://www.facebook.com/helen.caddy.5/videos/10154260864399859/?pnref=story

I guess we shouldn't dash their dreams but it ticks me off that this guy is pulling this over on people.