Apologies if anyone has posted this already but I could not be bothered to go through entire thread but here's a 2004 forum post about the triathlon
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/triathlon/european-long-course-champs/41553.html
4th post confirms Rob young came third
thems some kml wrote:
Can you post it somewhere? I'm a spatial programmer and can tell you the distance and splits between every waypoint in the file.
So am I. I already know the splits. That's how I've been posting them since the day this thread started.
My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
RobRossi wrote:
The video is available on Youtube as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KOzjPw7gs
That seems pretty convincing right there.
noobrunner wrote:
I do have a copy of the KML file that is up-to-date through about 9pm Central last night.
Keep that file and post it publicly. It will indicate any changes to the data tracking on his map once the data reappears. And quite a few of the time stamps in that data are mentioned in posts in this long thread. Looks like a lot of editing of data is going on right now. It's a shame the RV has no internet access to upload Rob's gps data.
I will try to post what I got before it got taken down, later tonight.
Not at home where i have the file with the latest update of data.
If it's not on Strava, it didn't happen!
Wah Wah wrote:
1776 wrote:Why isn't he posting his GPS logs online? Every hobby jogger has a GPS watch and Strava, except this "professional athlete".
This is the most damning problem for me. Every single mile should be uploaded after each segment run. Time and pace isn't good enough. The Garmins can give cadence, HR, and other running stats that can't be faked if the watch was just sitting in the RV on the dashboard.
Average runners have every detail of even their easy runs online.
The fact Rob doesn't is extremely problematic. This is where one starts with the very basics of tracking and documenting. Cameras and other accounts are supplemental.
As a professional in the IT industry I have learned that saving valuable data in one place before backing it up is a really bad idea. As a runner with strava and garmin connect I have also learned that your activities can get lost for various software or hardware malfunctions and who knows what else, so I try to upload them as soon as I can.
113 wrote:
sympathy for the devil wrote:That looks legit. :rolleyes
Set up something on GoFundMe and you might get some cred. This site looks like a solicitation for beer money.
If you know anything about Laz or the Barkley Marathons then you know this is as legit as it gets.
Are these "special ultra guys" going to wuss out once they get close to him like the Asher dude did?
KudzuRunner wrote:
I didn't contact Professor Lieberman because I thought that his comments would have any direct relevance to the case at hand. I contacted him because Rob Young quoted him on his personal website, because some people here--including me--were dubious, and because Rob's integrity, or lack thereof, has everything to do with why this thread has legs.
Lieberman's confirmation that yes, he did indeed say those things about Rob Young, means that the case for Rob's all-points deceit in the matter of running achievements is incrementally weaker than many here thought it was. Please note the word "incrementally." I didn't say "This changes everything."
In this case, at least, Rob Young told the truth. Lieberman is a reputable scientist, he shows up in Chris McDougall's BORN TO RUN, and he did say those things about Rob Young. That's all. Make of it what you will. But please don't insist, without evidence, that all the quotes on his "what they say" page are simply made up. At least one of them isn't--and it's a pretty good quote:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/what-they-say/
Nice job following up. I'm skeptical of this whole thing but your point is an important one. And, in any event, the best fiction is mixed with some truth.
I'd be interested to know if the other people on that site are quoted accurately.
UK Observer wrote:
Your probably right, we need to get the Ultra team on the ground and monitoring a weeks worth of effort.
Troops are on the ground, bro. Stay back and let us do our work.
whoa nelly wrote:Are these "special ultra guys" going to wuss out once they get close to him like the Asher dude did?
Asher ran up to the RV and it drove away from him. Who wussed out?
rojo wrote:
My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.
Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
RobRossi wrote:The video is available on Youtube as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KOzjPw7gsThat seems pretty convincing right there.
All that proves is that the van was driving slowly at that point and you can't see him in shot. It proves nothing else other than that for a 1 minute period he wasn't in that shot.
He could have been:
Ahead
Behind
In the van while they drove to get food
Chilling on the side of the road while the van went to get a look at the road ahead.
Juggling in a stripjoint
The video proves very little other than he wasn't in that shot in that one minute period.
rojo wrote:
My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.
Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
RobRossi wrote:The video is available on Youtube as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KOzjPw7gsThat seems pretty convincing right there.
You should make sure you save this video somewhere besides youtube. It looks like it is getting reported
Ultra Special Forces wrote:
Troops are on the ground, bro. Stay back and let us do our work.
The drones are moving in...
noobrunner wrote:
I do have a copy of the KML file that is up-to-date through about 9pm Central last night.
Hopefully they bring it back so I can continue to be amazed by his awesomeness.
can you email it to me?
derek@marathoninvestigation.comOne Q. Put to Bed wrote:
rojo wrote:My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.
Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
That seems pretty convincing right there.
All that proves is that the van was driving slowly at that point and you can't see him in shot. It proves nothing else other than that for a 1 minute period he wasn't in that shot.
He could have been:
Ahead
Behind
In the van while they drove to get food
Chilling on the side of the road while the van went to get a look at the road ahead.
Juggling in a stripjoint
The video proves very little other than he wasn't in that shot in that one minute period.
So, why is it going 6 mph?????????
thems some kml wrote:
Wah Wah wrote:This is the most damning problem for me. Every single mile should be uploaded after each segment run. Time and pace isn't good enough. The Garmins can give cadence, HR, and other running stats that can't be faked if the watch was just sitting in the RV on the dashboard.
Average runners have every detail of even their easy runs online.
The fact Rob doesn't is extremely problematic. This is where one starts with the very basics of tracking and documenting. Cameras and other accounts are supplemental.
As a professional in the IT industry I have learned that saving valuable data in one place before backing it up is a really bad idea. As a runner with strava and garmin connect I have also learned that your activities can get lost for various software or hardware malfunctions and who knows what else, so I try to upload them as soon as I can.
Don't know if his model is different but with my TomTom you can't access the device and files directly, they have to be synched to their website (or mysports.com rather) and from there you can upload to other sites or download your own .fit/gpx etc. They have their own proprietary file format on the device called ttbin although you can find converters online. This is one of the least likeable features of it.
rojo wrote:
My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.
Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
RobRossi wrote:The video is available on Youtube as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KOzjPw7gsThat seems pretty convincing right there.
Its in the link that the OP shared on page 1.
One Q. Put to Bed wrote:
rojo wrote:My God with NCAAs, I can't keep up with this thread.
Where did the video below come from? Truly amazing. Who thought to get that? What page did it first show up on??
That seems pretty convincing right there.
All that proves is that the van was driving slowly at that point and you can't see him in shot. It proves nothing else other than that for a 1 minute period he wasn't in that shot.
He could have been:
Ahead
Behind
In the van while they drove to get food
Chilling on the side of the road while the van went to get a look at the road ahead.
Juggling in a stripjoint
The video proves very little other than he wasn't in that shot in that one minute period.
Why were cars ahead and behind that RV going at regular speeds? This question is far from being put to bed. Try again.
plprlgbprkgbrvb wrote:
One Q. Put to Bed wrote:All that proves is that the van was driving slowly at that point and you can't see him in shot. It proves nothing else other than that for a 1 minute period he wasn't in that shot.
He could have been:
Ahead
Behind
In the van while they drove to get food
Chilling on the side of the road while the van went to get a look at the road ahead.
Juggling in a stripjoint
The video proves very little other than he wasn't in that shot in that one minute period.
So, why is it going 6 mph?????????
And that youtube video matches the accounts of the bunny lady who wanted to run with Rob and couldn't find him and they claimed he was on the other side of the RV, and the account of Asher who started this whole investigation. Three separate incidents of the RV without Rob running.