The main thing I remember from this incident was Krissy Gear being so unnecessarily rude to SLB on Twitter for (mildly, bemusedly) reporting on it. I want to like Krissy because she's a fun runner to watch and seems so sweet to her competitors, but then there are other times like her being rude for no reason and dating BC that just leave me confused.
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The main thing I remember from this incident was Krissy Gear being so unnecessarily rude to SLB on Twitter for (mildly, bemusedly) reporting on it. I want to like Krissy because she's a fun runner to watch and seems so sweet to her competitors, but then there are other times like her being rude for no reason and dating BC that just leave me confused.
It's hard to follow your post when you keep using initials. Who's SLB? Who's BC?
Oops, sorry. SLB is a longtime writer and editor in the running space (mostly Runner's World) and BC is Crawford.
But on second thought, I kind of want to retract that comment. Not because it's untruthful or because it doesn't represent my genuine thoughts, but because it feels a little more gossipy than I'd prefer, and it seems like Krissy's mental health has never been great. I stand by everything I've written on this thread regarding New Gen leadership exhibiting concerning behaviors and really f*cking up what could be opportunities to positively impact teens and the sport. But not everything that passes through my head needs to come out of my mouth, and even less of it needs to be posted on an anonymous message board.
But since I brought it up, I'd rather substantiate than make it seem like I'm passing around rumors. So here's the tweet:
I’m hearing an accredited photographer just was taken away by police for stealing Legend the mascot’s head last night.
In hindsight, though, I think I could have just stuck to posting about Ben/Matt/the New Gen brand decisions, since they're more the focus of this thread. Krissy's behavior confuses me, but it probably confuses her too, and I don't know that it was up to my personal posting standards for this place to bring her into it.
More the contrary. Krissy was defending Joe. Joe had nothing to with the disappearance of the head and no charges came down on him at all. It ended up being some high school kids. SLB's snap reporting without all the facts made Joe look like he himself was responsible.
The main thing I remember from this incident was Krissy Gear being so unnecessarily rude to SLB on Twitter for (mildly, bemusedly) reporting on it. I want to like Krissy because she's a fun runner to watch and seems so sweet to her competitors, but then there are other times like her being rude for no reason and dating BC that just leave me confused.
More the contrary. Krissy was defending Joe. Joe had nothing to with the disappearance of the head and no charges came down on him at all. It ended up being some high school kids. SLB's snap reporting without all the facts made Joe look like he himself was responsible.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but the 'snap reporting' was merely a quote from WA that mentions an 'accredited photographer.' There's no mention of 'Joe' in any of the tweets.
Feels like an unwarranted attack that only serves to paint themselves in a bad light. Also, LOL at a New Gen associate claiming 'no professionalism'.
Oops, sorry. SLB is a longtime writer and editor in the running space (mostly Runner's World) and BC is Crawford.
But on second thought, I kind of want to retract that comment. Not because it's untruthful or because it doesn't represent my genuine thoughts, but because it feels a little more gossipy than I'd prefer, and it seems like Krissy's mental health has never been great. I stand by everything I've written on this thread regarding New Gen leadership exhibiting concerning behaviors and really f*cking up what could be opportunities to positively impact teens and the sport. But not everything that passes through my head needs to come out of my mouth, and even less of it needs to be posted on an anonymous message board.
But since I brought it up, I'd rather substantiate than make it seem like I'm passing around rumors. So here's the tweet:
In hindsight, though, I think I could have just stuck to posting about Ben/Matt/the New Gen brand decisions, since they're more the focus of this thread. Krissy's behavior confuses me, but it probably confuses her too, and I don't know that it was up to my personal posting standards for this place to bring her into it.
I can’t believe they deleted it. Leaving that apology up would have saved them from a lot of this.
That said, it’s unsurprising to see another bad business decision by them.
Agreed. If you're going to apologize, say it with your chest. Be an adult. Own what you did. Posting something for a couple hours to limit the amount of attention is childish. It would be more beneficial to the very young fanbase to see companies in the real world owning their mistakes and trying to grow from it rather than sweep it under the rug with lip service. I don't think they see the issue with what they've done and nobody wants to take responsibility for it. I'd respect them if they just owned it, but I wouldn't expect that from 24-25 year olds or younger. Heck, when I was 24 I would have struggled with that, but I wasn't in charge of a business heavily influenced by marketing.
fwiw they wouldnt have deleted it to limit the attention, otherwise they would've just posted it on their IG story.
More likely they posted a genuine apology and quick took it down due to the further criticisms it/they got
Agreed. If you're going to apologize, say it with your chest. Be an adult. Own what you did. Posting something for a couple hours to limit the amount of attention is childish. It would be more beneficial to the very young fanbase to see companies in the real world owning their mistakes and trying to grow from it rather than sweep it under the rug with lip service. I don't think they see the issue with what they've done and nobody wants to take responsibility for it. I'd respect them if they just owned it, but I wouldn't expect that from 24-25 year olds or younger. Heck, when I was 24 I would have struggled with that, but I wasn't in charge of a business heavily influenced by marketing.
fwiw they wouldnt have deleted it to limit the attention, otherwise they would've just posted it on their IG story.
More likely they posted a genuine apology and quick took it down due to the further criticisms it/they got
The Instagram story is up for 24 hours. They deleted it within 2 or 3 hours.
Genuine question, how can she afford to be in Europe when she is effectively unemployed? I enjoy her podcast, but it can't be significantly revenue generating and she seems to have quit on it (like she is quitting on her dog, like she has quit on a myriad of other things over the years...).
What do you call an ‘influencer’ that doesn’t post to their weekly podcast or YouTube …..
Unemployed!
and who likes to waste money more than those who are unemployed
Emma is media smart and will come out of this looking better than all of them, I bet. She is connected to big stars like FastWomen and Ali on the Run in the running world. But she's as guilty as Ben for enabling this..(I may be wrong and will walk it back if facts show otherwise; to be fair to her).
Yes, to be clear, I'm not trying to make Matt (or anyone else from New Gen) into something they're not -- the full extent of their interactions with these kids isn't entirely clear and I'm not in a position to make any kind of personal judgement call.
That said, given the little glimpses into their behavior that we've seen in this thread, I think it's quite safe to say that New Gen has (generally) conducted themselves inappropriately. Any reasonable adult would agree, I think.
When you're an authority figure over minors (especially those that idolize you), you need to behave in a certain way -- for everyone's sake.
You shouldn't be making jokes/references about alcohol, "edibles," or other substances in relation to a youth camp.
You shouldn't be bragging about rating high schools girls.
You shouldn't be filling out sexually-explicit quizzes with kids.
You shouldn't be referring to other adult counselors as a kid's "love" in DMs.
You shouldn't be encouraging kids to "sexualize" other adult counselors in their writings.
You shouldn't be sending "kiss emojis" to kids on Discord.
All of this is REALLY easy to avoid doing for most people.
What is clear is all those behaviors you listed are grooming behaviors. They can’t just be written off.
Does SafeSport monitor running camps? There needs to be an investigation into all this because Wisner and Crawford have been really creepy to these minors and have potentially provided them with alcohol at NXN according to many posters and rumors. If they did edibles with these kids that’s, again, a crime.
I’m also curious what Cole and Cooper think of this whole new gen scandal and if they’ll try to distance themselves from Crawford going forward like they did with Silva.
I know some on here don't like TME, and they have had their issues, but at least their camp looked professional, mature and could benefit kids wanting to grow in the sport.
What do you call an ‘influencer’ that doesn’t post to their weekly podcast or YouTube …..
Unemployed!
and who likes to waste money more than those who are unemployed
Emma is media smart and will come out of this looking better than all of them, I bet. She is connected to big stars like FastWomen and Ali on the Run in the running world. But she's as guilty as Ben for enabling this..(I may be wrong and will walk it back if facts show otherwise; to be fair to her).
Eh, I don’t know that I agree. Emma is media smart in the sense that she’s learned to make a living doing social media brand deals in the running/exercise/lifestyle space, but she doesn’t strike me as someone who is particularly skilled at responding to tough situations or fractured audience opinions. She hasn’t responded to any of the New Gen stuff so far, and from what I’ve seen of her (and I started watching her vlogs back at UO because I wanted to see the team), I’m not sure she’d have a well-thought out response to questions like, “what sort of mentorship or guidance were you giving the campers when they wanted to do a bullying photoshoot, or in the immediate aftermath when some audience members expressed concern about it?” Remember late May/early June 2020 when she continued to obliviously post her typical influencer content during the height of the George Floyd protests? I’m not even trying to sound mean or dig into her; I just don’t think she’s displayed the PR savvy or nuance of thought in the past to “come out of” this incident better than any of the other adults involved.
She’s “connected” to people like Wade and Feller in the sense that Wade will mention Emma’s podcasts in the newsletter (which she does pretty much anytime a pod interviews a notable female distance runner), and that she and Feller have interviewed each other, but I don’t sense any particularly unbreakable mentorship relationship there. I don’t think Emma would receive “protection” or special excuses from other female running media personalities just for being a woman. I do think, though, that Wade and Feller are mature people who would look at someone like Emma and say, “yeah, she could/should have done better, but I’m not going to excommunicate her purely for her connection to New Gen. Better to be an older sounding board who can hopefully help the younger people in this industry make more thoughtful choices.” Like, it’s clear that Wade and Feller are with Emma Gee on this one, but I don’t get the sense that they’d either cut off or blindly protect Emma A for her involvement in this stuff.
In any case, I don’t expect we’ll hear anything from New Gen affiliates about this ordeal in the short or medium term. I feel like the “tell” about ramifications they’ve received will be whether they get shoe brands to sponsor things like high school xc events, events at NCAA or USATF nationals, a camp next summer, etc. Perhaps Ben or Matt will talk more about this summer’s drama in a podcast interview in two or three years, if they maintain relevance in the sport that long.