Until recently people who'd been assaulted were victims. Now they're survivors. Doesn't make logical sense and it diminishes the experiences of people who were in actual life-threatening situations like tsunamis and concentration camps. If there's no chance of literally dying in a situation, you shouldn't get to call yourself a survivor of it. Otherwise, I'm a forced-to-do-homework survivor.
September 11th wrote:
Are you asking if the same CIA and same FBI which screwed up prior to September 11th, 2001 is capable of missing something in a background check?
Especially when they didn't know what they were looking for.
I don't think Kavanaugh was or is a sexual predator. I think he likes to drink. When he was younger, he often got drunk. And when he gets drunk he tends to become belligerent and aggressive with women.
That seems to be the pattern.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
A week from now we will be in the same place. Senators will be forced to vote in favor of facts or spurious allegations.
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
FFF wrote:
I left the party wrote:
Kavanaugh was the subject of six separate FBI background checks, and none of these accusations came up, EVER. We are to believe he abused women for 3 decades, and miraculously every one of them remained silent about it until this past month. He clerked for Justice Kennedy, for Pete’s sake. Gorsuch went to high school with him. No one had ever heard anything?!?!? It defies logic. Ford supplied the names of all the witnesses, and None of them substantiated her claims. Her good friend, the one she went to the party with, the one Ford says herself she left alone in a house with attempted rapists after she escaped... this friend doesn’t remember a party where her good friend (Ford) went to the bathroom and just disappeared!?!! Never called her the next morning to say “Hey, what happened to you?!!!” That’s just not your normal evening. Ford remembers consuming one singular beer, JUST ONE, but not how she got home after she escaped the house. Now which of those two facts is the trivial one, and which is the fact you would think would stand out in your mind.
Listen, I was a Democrat for years. First presidential vote I cast was for Mondale, but I can’t just ignore the nonsense, the lying, the obvious hypocrisy of the party leaders anymore. Doesn’t mean I’m in love with the Republican Party, or that I’m a Trump fan boy, but I’m not going to just shut off my brain, ignore logic, and fall into lockstep because my party demands it. I can’t do it. I won’t crucify this man for the “cause.”
It’s OK to be an American citizen and be without a political party. It frees you up to start thinking for yourself.
I know for a FACT that fed background checks don't turn up everything.
Yes, but Kavanaugh’s multiple background checks turned up NOTHING!
As opposed to serial rapists wrote:
Make America Great Again wrote:
Did you check their voter registration? How about campaign contribution? I bet they are Democrats.
Intelligent people usually are.
Keep going with that approach. It worked so well for Hillary did it not? And now, in addition to calling Trump voters "deplorable," Joe Biden is piling on, calling them "dregs."
Monkeys typing wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
A week from now we will be in the same place. Senators will be forced to vote in favor of facts or spurious allegations.
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
Monkeys typing wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
A week from now we will be in the same place. Senators will be forced to vote in favor of facts or spurious allegations.
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
Of course Trump is using this situation to enhance his favorability with women and moderates. He’s extremely see through. What a phony
Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
You know what’s hilarious about you and all the other democrats, you don’t care about Dr. Ford at all.
Go to the "Trump Innaguration" thread. I was the first one to post about the anonymous letter Dr. Ford wrote. At that point, we still didn't know who wrote it.
In that post, I predicted that the press would eventually find her out and her life would be ruined. I clearly felt sorry for her, even when I didn't know who she was. You can read through more of my posts and find that it took a long time before I even believed her. But my first inclination was to be concerned about what she was going to go through.
The fact is that I feel sorry for Kavanaugh too. I think he genuinely believes that he has been unfairly accused. I think he doesn't remember what he did and he doesn't want to face the fact that he put Dr. Ford through such a trauma. And I know it has been horrible for him to see his family suffer.
Right now, I not only care about Dr. Ford, I have tremendous admiration for her. She is a true American hero.
well actually wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
Judge didn't sign that 6 sentence statement....his lawyer did. No felony if he tells the truth.
well actually wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
He doesn't have to change his statement. His statement said hardly anything.
6 FBI background checks on BK and nada. I say bring on #7. Six wasn't enough for the libs, so surely they'll be satisfied with #7. When no huge revelation is found, then the libs will say fair deal, he deserves the nomination because that's all libs want is the truth. The party of truth it is.
language abuse survivor wrote:
Until recently people who'd been assaulted were victims. Now they're survivors. Doesn't make logical sense and it diminishes the experiences of people who were in actual life-threatening situations like tsunamis and concentration camps. If there's no chance of literally dying in a situation, you shouldn't get to call yourself a survivor of it. Otherwise, I'm a forced-to-do-homework survivor.
When a victim calls herself a survivor, she is telling the world that she has fought to overcome. She doesn't want to be pitied as a victim.
I suspect that for many, that little word-play is itself a coping mechanism.
September 11th wrote:
Are you asking if the same CIA and same FBI which screwed up prior to September 11th, 2001 is capable of missing something in a background check?
Then why are you clamoring for this same inept FBI to do an investigation into the rape allegation? I also suppose this means you have serious doubts about the FBI’s Russian collusion investigation, right?
Merrick Garland wrote:
well actually wrote:
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
Judge didn't sign that 6 sentence statement....his lawyer did. No felony if he tells the truth.
He signed the one that came in today that said the same thing. But nevertheless, it doesn't say much
So how thorough an investigation about events that happened decades ago can the FBI do in 7 days? This strikes me as a cover your ass move by the GOP with no real desire to get at the truth. It gives the 51 senators who want to vote yes the cover they need to do so. 'See we commissioned an investigation' and since the results will likely be rushed and inconclusive they can say there is no reason for them not to vote no.
well actually wrote:
Monkeys typing wrote:
A week from now we're going to have more facts. In particular we're going to know a lot more about the skeletons in Mark Judge's closet and justly or not Kavanaugh will be sullied by association.
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
I think his statement will be "clarified" extensively.
A letter from his attorney keeps him pretty insulated from prosecution.
But he knows that if he lies in an FBI interview, they may very well come after him. And he also knows that this time, his statements will be scrutinized voraciously. So he will be as open and forthright as possible.
We are going to learn a lot of new details from Mark Judge. I suspect that many of those details will even be exculpatory. But others will be incriminating. It's going to be interesting.
Merrick Garland wrote:
well actually wrote:
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
Judge didn't sign that 6 sentence statement....his lawyer did. No felony if he tells the truth.
He signed a new statement today. Agreed to talk to FBI, confidentially. I don’t think he wants to do it on camera a la yesterday.
Be careful what you wish for. Ford’s going to be investigated in all of this , too. Friends, family, financials. This is a troubled woman, and if something turns up to make her look bad, it could do further harm to her. People using her to advance some cause are committing a grave sin.
Fat hurts wrote:
well actually wrote:
Really? You think Mark Judge is going to commit a felony next week and change his statement? That's interesting.
I think his statement will be "clarified" extensively.
A letter from his attorney keeps him pretty insulated from prosecution.
But he knows that if he lies in an FBI interview, they may very well come after him. And he also knows that this time, his statements will be scrutinized voraciously. So he will be as open and forthright as possible.
We are going to learn a lot of new details from Mark Judge. I suspect that many of those details will even be exculpatory. But others will be incriminating. It's going to be interesting.
You realize that Mark Judge doesn't have to agree to even get interviewed by the FBI right? He can just say no and be on his way.
I left the party wrote:
September 11th wrote:
Are you asking if the same CIA and same FBI which screwed up prior to September 11th, 2001 is capable of missing something in a background check?
Then why are you clamoring for this same inept FBI to do an investigation into the rape allegation? I also suppose this means you have serious doubts about the FBI’s Russian collusion investigation, right?
"September 11th" was just saying that the FBI isn't omniscient. It's a fair point.
OHhReally wrote:
So how thorough an investigation about events that happened decades ago can the FBI do in 7 days? This strikes me as a cover your ass move by the GOP with no real desire to get at the truth. It gives the 51 senators who want to vote yes the cover they need to do so. 'See we commissioned an investigation' and since the results will likely be rushed and inconclusive they can say there is no reason for them not to vote no.
I rather think it’s a CYA for about 3 Republican Senators (Flake, Murkowksi and Collins) and 2-3 Democratic senators (Heidtkamp, Manchin) to allow them to vote yes. It also provides CYA for a few moderate dem senators who will still vote no but allows them to say they were able to get an FBI investigation rather than having come out empty handed. For all other republican senators it’s just a short delay; the other dem senators will never be appeased