George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

peacefularson wrote:

one of the parademics (smith) implied that chauvins knee was NOT on floyds carotid while checking for a pulse (day 4, Exhibit 56)

uh

Well, duh! You don't have to be a police sergeant to figure this out, but racists need help figuring this out:

^ lol

as usual, facts that commies dont like are racist.

peacefularson wrote:

one of the parademics

Is that someone with many nutrient deficiencies?

the new jim crow wrote:

peacefularson wrote:

one of the parademics (smith) implied that chauvins knee was NOT on floyds carotid while checking for a pulse (day 4, Exhibit 56)

uh

Well, duh! You don't have to be a police sergeant to figure this out, but racists need help figuring this out:

https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/derek-chauvin-trial/6964364-Police-sergeant-Restraint-on-George-Floyd-should-have-ended-when-he-stopped-resisting

I'm not sure this helps the prosecution as much as many believe. It implies that the restraint was reasonable when initially used and for some time thereafter. I believe the prosecution has to argue that the knee restraint was always an unreasonable use of force, since they can't determine the moment Floyd died.

yes, its impossible in such cases to say when resistance ends, since it can restart. hindsight is one thing.

once the restrained person is docile, surely it is in everyone's interest to gently re inforce that position by maintaining it? again, this doesnt mean ignoring the fact that they might have issues.

Based on what I read and saw that is a significant assumption. Do you have a link with something specific?

peacefularson wrote:

one of the parademics (smith) implied that chauvins knee was NOT on floyds carotid while checking for a pulse (day 4, Exhibit 56)

Above post references this statement

deranged;

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/queens-da-wont-prosecute-officer-seen-on-video-kneeling-on-mans-neck/2979191/

here is a cross section of a human neck, from a random webiste , showing the windpipe and carotid ateries etc;

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/346355027583793161/

In this random news article is a close up of chavin kneeling on george;

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/george-floyd-trial-begins-police-officer-derek-chauvin-accused-of-murder/news-story/2dba05848a79c5803352d69e06febe7d

Notice how DCs leg is coming up from behind GF head, whose face is pointing away. How on earth does any pressure from this angle involve the windpipe or carotid arteries? seriusly, i would like to know. drawings on a postcard please?

It actually looks like a carefully placd position designed to minimise ay chance of invoving those votal areas - it is as far away from them as possible. and dont give me any newtons third law nonsense, the road is far too flat to provide focussed constriction of those items.

Its a reasonable question - i would expect the defense to show something like this, as well as the no trauma evidence on the neck.

Yes, he did say that but Floyd was not acting violently when he was handcuffed and immobilized on the ground. With three other officers there it hardly required Chauvin to render Floyd unconcious (and through preventing him breathing) in order to remove any possible "threat". That was the view of the officer testifying, that as Floyd was not offering resistance Chauvin should have taken his knee off him.

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

In this trial, Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck became the exercise of deadly force, because it was used to the point of Floyd's death. As difficult as Floyd may have been earlier, at no point did Chauvin or the other officers face a threat to their lives. If the prosecution is able to prove that Chauvin caused Floyd's death - and the evidence is overwhelmingly in that direction - Chauvin's fate is pretty much sealed.

If the ambulance came five minutes earlier, which it should have, and GF died on the way to the hospital, what would you then blame as the cause of his death?

I am interested in the facts as they happened, not speculating about things that didn't happen.

Chauvin's actions cannot be justified under police procedures - evidence from the Minneapolis police department.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/02/derek-chauvin-trial/

Derek Chauvin used force that was “totally unnecessary” when he knelt on George Floyd’s neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds while Floyd was handcuffed and no longer a threat, the longest-serving officer in the Minneapolis department testified Friday.

“Pulling him down to the ground, facedown and putting your knee on the neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for,” Zimmerman testified. “I saw no reason the officers felt they were in danger, if that’s what they felt, and that’s what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force.”

Zimmerman, who was called to the scene of Floyd’s death at 38th and Chicago on May 25, testified that once someone is handcuffed, “they are not a threat to you at that point” and the amount of force should be immediately reduced. “If your knee is on a person’s neck, that could kill him.”

You are not a medical expert and you are speculating about details that require medical knowledge.

that position certainly looks like it could knock out the vertebral arteries, which can also kill someone

The arrival I posted on hanging gives an idea of the (relative lack) of fire me required.

Occlusion can result in lack of function in the cerebellum and brain stem, which is key in regulating second to second body functions.

And even rear naked chokes (which would appear relatively not directed at the vertebral a) can compress or injure the vertebrals

I can post articles if you wish

Not ruling out carotid /jugular either

You mean the testimony of someone who doesn’t want to lose their job and who hasn’t been in the street in years supports the prosecution? This clown also said crowd size doesn’t matter. A crowd of 100 is definitely more intimidating then a crowd of 1. It doesn’t matter if you are arresting someone or juggling baseballs.

Lac of force required not lack of fire me

It seems pretty obvious from what I've seen so far from the coroner's report and the evidence presented so far that Floyd died from a combination of factors related to having probably invested a large amount of lethal drugs when the police showed up (he did the exact same thing last year when being arrested , did the exact same behavior with resisting arrest, acting erratically, calling for his mama, saying I can't breath etc. He then preceeded overdose in the back of the car and had to be saved in the hospital. The coroner's report showed his lungs were edematous, he had severe coronary artery disease, sickle cell disease and 3 or 4 times the lethal dose if dental in his system. Floyd knew he was a dead man as soon as the cops grabbed him. He knew he was going to die off an overdose in police custody. That's why he had such a panic attack and went all hysterical which probably exasperated his health problems and O2 exchange and once the drugs really kicked in he died just like that. Cops had no way to know what was happening physiologically. He basically needed medical attention immediately but unfortunately Floyd didn't tell the police what he took and resisted arrest until he was dead. And doing all this in the background of having committed a fraud crime. Floyd was never accused if being too smart. It is not surprising that someone with this type of addiction problem plus criminal problem ends up dead at anytime

he was also foaming at the mouth, further proving a case of overdose. and he was off opiates for a few months and only started two weeks before the incident