Stravaman wrote:
Stravaman wrote:This how a distribution of likes should look.
For reference, here is an example from a facebook page I manage. The largest chunk is from the UK, then the US and progressively fewer likes from mostly European countries.
http://i.imgur.com/FhBSDFr.jpg
Here is another example, this time from a US ultra runner:
http://i.imgur.com/9DyvVx1.jpgGreat work Investigator, RYoungFan1 and runnerrachel!Don't forget about the Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NBkfw48Jv6JlP0gBLP5JbPt6qz5Qfyf105fIXYa_hAk/edit
normalized wrote:
I'm not suggesting Strava Engineering release the data. I'm suggesting they internally apply data analysis to the data to determine if it is fraudulent. It is easy for them to do so.
Strava has a history of addressing fraud. See:
https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918197-Flagging-a-false-or-incorrect-Segment-time
Is it possible to retroactively create Strava segments for Rob's dubious stretches? That might be the only way to involve Strava.
I got in touch with the Runner's World UK member who reported Rob's results in 2004. He isn't able to help us because he doesn't remember anything about it.
I wonder what Laz was thinking when he saw Rob struggle to do a few surges at 7min pace. He probably had a big smirk on his face. To all who have been working hard to compile evidence please keep your heads up. It will be a slow grind toward Rob's destruction. That's the best outcome actually. The more he resists coming clean the more digging there will be and the more articles, negative search results and social media fallout. He could have ended this with limited collateral damage but now he's on a long term path, like purgatory. It's been beautiful to watch and will continue to provide entertainment for months if not years to come. Thank you
TroLLminator wrote:
I wonder what Laz was thinking when he saw Rob struggle to do a few surges at 7min pace. He probably had a big smirk on his face. To all who have been working hard to compile evidence please keep your heads up. It will be a slow grind toward Rob's destruction. That's the best outcome actually. The more he resists coming clean the more digging there will be and the more articles, negative search results and social media fallout. He could have ended this with limited collateral damage but now he's on a long term path, like purgatory. It's been beautiful to watch and will continue to provide entertainment for months if not years to come. Thank you
The videos we have of Rob running are certainly not flattering. Most are of him walking. The one video where he was checking his watch every 15 seconds for a 1/4 mile kick was a true indicator that these 5 minute paced long runs in the mountains were pure fiction. One would think they would have video taped some of these epic runs in the mountains if their goal was to impress others.
Was reading some of the older articles, pure comedy:
‘I run a quick marathon early in the day, then I run an easy marathon, and after that, I just jog a little until I need to rest….’ That’s the formula Brit runner Robert Young is employing in an attempt to run across North America this month.
I got in touch with the Runner's World UK member who reported Rob's results in 2004. He isn't able to help us because he doesn't remember anything about it.
Thanks for trying.
On a separate note, am I allowed to apologise for being unremittingly stupid? I made the mistake of looking at his two Strava accounts and adding the totals together, before realising of course they cover all the same sections of travel. I will hereby get out of my mom's basement, ritually flog myself and video the evidence for YouTube, then go out for a run at get some vitamin D as a punishment.
Rob viewer wrote:
TroLLminator wrote:I wonder what Laz was thinking when he saw Rob struggle to do a few surges at 7min pace. He probably had a big smirk on his face. To all who have been working hard to compile evidence please keep your heads up. It will be a slow grind toward Rob's destruction. That's the best outcome actually. The more he resists coming clean the more digging there will be and the more articles, negative search results and social media fallout. He could have ended this with limited collateral damage but now he's on a long term path, like purgatory. It's been beautiful to watch and will continue to provide entertainment for months if not years to come. Thank you
The videos we have of Rob running are certainly not flattering. Most are of him walking. The one video where he was checking his watch every 15 seconds for a 1/4 mile kick was a true indicator that these 5 minute paced long runs in the mountains were pure fiction. One would think they would have video taped some of these epic runs in the mountains if their goal was to impress others.
Either he had no idea real runners would ever scrutinize any of his claims or he just thought everyone really is that stupid to simply believe him. If I was a self promotor you bet I'd have some cool videos of myself running sub 5min pace showing the pace on the watch. Rob is a disgrace.
RYinvestigator wrote:
Great work Investigator, RYoungFan1 and runnerrachel!
Don't forget about the Google Doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NBkfw48Jv6JlP0gBLP5JbPt6qz5Qfyf105fIXYa_hAk/editnormalized wrote:I'm not suggesting Strava Engineering release the data. I'm suggesting they internally apply data analysis to the data to determine if it is fraudulent. It is easy for them to do so.
Strava has a history of addressing fraud. See:
https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918197-Flagging-a-false-or-incorrect-Segment-timeIs it possible to retroactively create Strava segments for Rob's dubious stretches? That might be the only way to involve Strava.
I got in touch with the Runner's World UK member who reported Rob's results in 2004. He isn't able to help us because he doesn't remember anything about it.
Yes, you can create a new strava segment on one of your prior activities and it will be populated with a leaderboard of all who have run that segment. During the process strava will list similar or duplicate segments.
KudzuRunner wrote:
'sheed wallace wrote:A guy who studies running form saying "oh yeah Rob has good running form" has no bearing on whether or not Rob has the ability to break this record. His verified past race times/performances do. They say "no". Watch don't lie.
I didn't contact Professor Lieberman because I thought that his comments would have any direct relevance to the case at hand. I contacted him because Rob Young quoted him on his personal website, because some people here--including me--were dubious, and because Rob's integrity, or lack thereof, has everything to do with why this thread has legs.
Lieberman's confirmation that yes, he did indeed say those things about Rob Young, means that the case for Rob's all-points deceit in the matter of running achievements is incrementally weaker than many here thought it was. Please note the word "incrementally." I didn't say "This changes everything."
In this case, at least, Rob Young told the truth. Lieberman is a reputable scientist, he shows up in Chris McDougall's BORN TO RUN, and he did say those things about Rob Young. That's all. Make of it what you will. But please don't insist, without evidence, that all the quotes on his "what they say" page are simply made up. At least one of them isn't--and it's a pretty good quote:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/what-they-say/
Coming back to this: assuming "exquisite" wasn't an autocorrect of "excrutiating" (running form), would you please contact Lieberman again to ask what evidence was submitted to him for this assessment to be made? Did he actually meet RY, or see his running form in real time?
Racergirl wrote:
KudzuRunner wrote:I didn't contact Professor Lieberman because I thought that his comments would have any direct relevance to the case at hand. I contacted him because Rob Young quoted him on his personal website, because some people here--including me--were dubious, and because Rob's integrity, or lack thereof, has everything to do with why this thread has legs.
Lieberman's confirmation that yes, he did indeed say those things about Rob Young, means that the case for Rob's all-points deceit in the matter of running achievements is incrementally weaker than many here thought it was. Please note the word "incrementally." I didn't say "This changes everything."
In this case, at least, Rob Young told the truth. Lieberman is a reputable scientist, he shows up in Chris McDougall's BORN TO RUN, and he did say those things about Rob Young. That's all. Make of it what you will. But please don't insist, without evidence, that all the quotes on his "what they say" page are simply made up. At least one of them isn't--and it's a pretty good quote:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/what-they-say/Coming back to this: assuming "exquisite" wasn't an autocorrect of "excrutiating" (running form), would you please contact Lieberman again to ask what evidence was submitted to him for this assessment to be made? Did he actually meet RY, or see his running form in real time?
Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, and an expert on the biomechanics of endurance running. At the start and end of the Race Across USA he performs tests on the competitors. He finds that Young has “the perfect running formâ€: good posture, a relaxed upper body, a seemingly effortless glide. Many amateur runners crash into the ground with their feet. When Lieberman asks Young to run on a pressure pad, there is very little impact.
“That’s important when you are having thousands of collisions, or millions in Rob’s case,†Lieberman says. “You cannot be a thumper and a great runner.â€
In London, Courtney Kipps had observed something else about Young’s footfall. When the typical recreational athlete runs on a treadmill their feet seldom land in the same place. With Young, the landing map looks like a single pair of soles – he strikes the same spot every time. This is a strong Âindication of running efficiency; Young uses no additional energy in trying to balance or push off.
But other results are “remarkable for how unremarkable they areâ€, Kipps says. Young’s VO2 Max – a measure of how much oxygen a person’s body can use during exercise – is average for a three-hour, 30-minute marathoner. (His personal best is two hours and 41 minutes, but most of his runs are slower.) His anaerobic threshold, the point at which lactic acid starts to accumulate in the muscles, is good, but not exceptional.
And so science alone cannot explain Young’s ability to run and run. His mindset may. Kipps notes that Young never shows long-term concerns; he is always enjoying the moment. “It’s like kids who don’t know danger or fear – they have no limits. That only comes later. Rob has a brain that does not all allow him to say: I cannot do that,†Kipps says.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/03/man-who-could-not-stop-running----
There are also pictures of Rob in a lab:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/Best to create segments that are likely to have been popular with other runners. Don't make them too long and stick to cities. Not too many runners are going to be training on interstates.
Racergirl wrote:
KudzuRunner wrote:I didn't contact Professor Lieberman because I thought that his comments would have any direct relevance to the case at hand. I contacted him because Rob Young quoted him on his personal website, because some people here--including me--were dubious, and because Rob's integrity, or lack thereof, has everything to do with why this thread has legs.
Lieberman's confirmation that yes, he did indeed say those things about Rob Young, means that the case for Rob's all-points deceit in the matter of running achievements is incrementally weaker than many here thought it was. Please note the word "incrementally." I didn't say "This changes everything."
In this case, at least, Rob Young told the truth. Lieberman is a reputable scientist, he shows up in Chris McDougall's BORN TO RUN, and he did say those things about Rob Young. That's all. Make of it what you will. But please don't insist, without evidence, that all the quotes on his "what they say" page are simply made up. At least one of them isn't--and it's a pretty good quote:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/what-they-say/Coming back to this: assuming "exquisite" wasn't an autocorrect of "excrutiating" (running form), would you please contact Lieberman again to ask what evidence was submitted to him for this assessment to be made? Did he actually meet RY, or see his running form in real time?
Nope, he took his claims for face value and simply wanted to plug in a physiological reason for his perceived abilities. The only reason I could think he even made any statement was for media exposure. Sort of like how some otherwise intelligent people are endorsing Trump. I once watched a science series in which they monitored another carpooler Dane on a thread mill and one of the "experts" basically said at that pace Dane could run forever. It made it sound like Dane is a mythical creature with superhuman abilities and I'm sure most people would believe such a ridiculous statement.
Interesting! He can overcome pain, except when under scrutiny...
What jumped out at me from that article is the bit about him being like a child and living in the present - most kids lie about stuff in their past, but never think twice about it. I wonder if, for him, this is the same: the lies were in the past so to him don't impact on his present or future?
We finally know why the Brits voted for a Brexit: Cameron endorsed RY.
RYinvestigator wrote:
Racergirl wrote:Coming back to this: assuming "exquisite" wasn't an autocorrect of "excrutiating" (running form), would you please contact Lieberman again to ask what evidence was submitted to him for this assessment to be made? Did he actually meet RY, or see his running form in real time?
Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, and an expert on the biomechanics of endurance running. At the start and end of the Race Across USA he performs tests on the competitors. He finds that Young has “the perfect running formâ€: good posture, a relaxed upper body, a seemingly effortless glide. Many amateur runners crash into the ground with their feet. When Lieberman asks Young to run on a pressure pad, there is very little impact.
“That’s important when you are having thousands of collisions, or millions in Rob’s case,†Lieberman says. “You cannot be a thumper and a great runner.â€
In London, Courtney Kipps had observed something else about Young’s footfall. When the typical recreational athlete runs on a treadmill their feet seldom land in the same place. With Young, the landing map looks like a single pair of soles – he strikes the same spot every time. This is a strong Âindication of running efficiency; Young uses no additional energy in trying to balance or push off.
But other results are “remarkable for how unremarkable they areâ€, Kipps says. Young’s VO2 Max – a measure of how much oxygen a person’s body can use during exercise – is average for a three-hour, 30-minute marathoner. (His personal best is two hours and 41 minutes, but most of his runs are slower.) His anaerobic threshold, the point at which lactic acid starts to accumulate in the muscles, is good, but not exceptional.
And so science alone cannot explain Young’s ability to run and run. His mindset may. Kipps notes that Young never shows long-term concerns; he is always enjoying the moment. “It’s like kids who don’t know danger or fear – they have no limits. That only comes later. Rob has a brain that does not all allow him to say: I cannot do that,†Kipps says.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/03/man-who-could-not-stop-running----
There are also pictures of Rob in a lab:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/
Oh, how I wish they had referenced the 2:41 PR to an actual race. We still have no idea where that one came from, and based off his other results and his race MO of crashing and burning, it still seems extraordinarily unlikely.
Brexit wrote:
We finally know why the Brits voted for a Brexit: Cameron endorsed RY.
http://www.independent.co.uk/happylist/independent-on-sundays-happy-list-2015-the-full-list-of-people-who-make-life-better-for-others-10299707.html
To save anybody else the trouble, RY is on the list, but not featured in the picture gallery. How odd. Some of those "causes" are pretty lame. Seems everyone is "raising awareness." How is it the Brits caught onto this 200 years too late?
There's another Marathon Man who may bear looking into, photo #25. Boasts bigger feats than our Rob.
RYinvestigator wrote:
Racergirl wrote:Coming back to this: assuming "exquisite" wasn't an autocorrect of "excrutiating" (running form), would you please contact Lieberman again to ask what evidence was submitted to him for this assessment to be made? Did he actually meet RY, or see his running form in real time?
Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, and an expert on the biomechanics of endurance running. At the start and end of the Race Across USA he performs tests on the competitors. He finds that Young has “the perfect running formâ€: good posture, a relaxed upper body, a seemingly effortless glide. Many amateur runners crash into the ground with their feet. When Lieberman asks Young to run on a pressure pad, there is very little impact.
“That’s important when you are having thousands of collisions, or millions in Rob’s case,†Lieberman says. “You cannot be a thumper and a great runner.â€
In London, Courtney Kipps had observed something else about Young’s footfall. When the typical recreational athlete runs on a treadmill their feet seldom land in the same place. With Young, the landing map looks like a single pair of soles – he strikes the same spot every time. This is a strong Âindication of running efficiency; Young uses no additional energy in trying to balance or push off.
But other results are “remarkable for how unremarkable they areâ€, Kipps says. Young’s VO2 Max – a measure of how much oxygen a person’s body can use during exercise – is average for a three-hour, 30-minute marathoner. (His personal best is two hours and 41 minutes, but most of his runs are slower.) His anaerobic threshold, the point at which lactic acid starts to accumulate in the muscles, is good, but not exceptional.
And so science alone cannot explain Young’s ability to run and run. His mindset may. Kipps notes that Young never shows long-term concerns; he is always enjoying the moment. “It’s like kids who don’t know danger or fear – they have no limits. That only comes later. Rob has a brain that does not all allow him to say: I cannot do that,†Kipps says.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/03/man-who-could-not-stop-running----
There are also pictures of Rob in a lab:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/
Interesting that they did confirm that he suffers from at least some form of retardation.
“But when you burn six to eight thousand calories a day you can eat pretty much what you want.
“I’ll polish off two burger meals, pasta, french fries, doughnuts and cake in one go.â€
Rob has raised more than £80,000 for the NSPCC, Dreams Come True and Great Ormond Street Hospital with his runs.
He said: “If I can help just one of those kids to stop feeling hopeless like I did, then all this will have been worthwhile.
“And as long as I feel I’m inspiring someone, I’ll keep on running.â€
—DONATIONS can be made through Rob’s site – marathonmanuk.com.
This is what Hobby Joggers say when they run marathons!
Hobby Jogger expert wrote:
“But when you burn six to eight thousand calories a day you can eat pretty much what you want.
“I’ll polish off two burger meals, pasta, french fries, doughnuts and cake in one go.â€
Rob has raised more than £80,000 for the NSPCC, Dreams Come True and Great Ormond Street Hospital with his runs.
He said: “If I can help just one of those kids to stop feeling hopeless like I did, then all this will have been worthwhile.
“And as long as I feel I’m inspiring someone, I’ll keep on running.â€
—DONATIONS can be made through Rob’s site – marathonmanuk.com.
This is what Hobby Joggers say when they run marathons!
When you burn 6-8000 cal per day you also make some pretty serious bowel movements. Maybe that is his real calling. Maybe the Coprophile Crowd will now pick up on this and his reputation can be renewed. Not restored, mind you, simply renewed.
TroLLminator wrote:
RYinvestigator wrote:Daniel Lieberman is a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard University, and an expert on the biomechanics of endurance running. At the start and end of the Race Across USA he performs tests on the competitors. He finds that Young has “the perfect running formâ€: good posture, a relaxed upper body, a seemingly effortless glide. Many amateur runners crash into the ground with their feet. When Lieberman asks Young to run on a pressure pad, there is very little impact.
“That’s important when you are having thousands of collisions, or millions in Rob’s case,†Lieberman says. “You cannot be a thumper and a great runner.â€
In London, Courtney Kipps had observed something else about Young’s footfall. When the typical recreational athlete runs on a treadmill their feet seldom land in the same place. With Young, the landing map looks like a single pair of soles – he strikes the same spot every time. This is a strong Âindication of running efficiency; Young uses no additional energy in trying to balance or push off.
But other results are “remarkable for how unremarkable they areâ€, Kipps says. Young’s VO2 Max – a measure of how much oxygen a person’s body can use during exercise – is average for a three-hour, 30-minute marathoner. (His personal best is two hours and 41 minutes, but most of his runs are slower.) His anaerobic threshold, the point at which lactic acid starts to accumulate in the muscles, is good, but not exceptional.
And so science alone cannot explain Young’s ability to run and run. His mindset may. Kipps notes that Young never shows long-term concerns; he is always enjoying the moment. “It’s like kids who don’t know danger or fear – they have no limits. That only comes later. Rob has a brain that does not all allow him to say: I cannot do that,†Kipps says.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/03/man-who-could-not-stop-running----
There are also pictures of Rob in a lab:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/138134/surviving-dads-abuse-spurred-me-on-to-run-417-marathons-in-14-months/Interesting that they did confirm that he suffers from at least some form of retardation.
Also in that article I found this gem:
Rob was beaten so often that he came to believe it was normal to be in constant pain.
At six his dad strung him up and choked him until he thought he would die like his dog, then beat him senseless.
Clearly using some of the abuse claims as "proof" that he can endure the pains of running 80miles per day. And he's clearly milking the abuse stories every chance he gets. They are scattered across almost all articles on him. If he really was abused as a child his current web of lies will certainly undermine those claims as well. What a disaster. Maybe his supporters are hanging in there out of sympathy, but they should know that even abused children are capable of lying, maybe even more so.
