Robert Young fakes run across America

Thanks for nothing. wrote:

runnerrachel wrote:

There are huge gaps, so how can the data possibly be used to confirm or deny his cheating when there is so much missing?

Oops, shot yourself in the foot there.

Press Release

Robert Young can not be considered a cheat because of a data malfunction, to quote LetsRun.com "There are huge gaps, so how can the data possibly be used to confirm or deny his cheating when there is so much missing?". Also, we have various other forms of back up and witnesses to indicate he did not cheat.

Jaimie Fuller

Don't we have the missing strava data? If so, can't we simply forward it to Jaime and at the very least let him know that this data was captured by LRC before Rob erased it.

Dustin and Rob. wrote:

Mr Young's lawyer. wrote:

How can the "data already to hand" be "conclusive" if it can't "possibly be used to confirm or deny his cheating"?

Thanks Rachel.

Yours sincerely

Dustin and Rob.

Yeah, thanks Rach, looks like I'll be keeping my job now, was a bit touch and go there for a while what with the data malfunction and all.

Rob Young cheats wrote:

Agreed. Putting the "scrubbed" Strava data on his FB page would be great, if I wasn't blocked too. I liked Rachel's post asking how Rob ran 5:34 min/mile pace going up almost 1000ft elevation on May 20th.

Rob's fans are so blind.

If not blind, they're most likely new and/or slower runners who have no concept of what's possible and what's not at the elite end of the spectrum. 5:34 per mile pace is not remarkable and "up 1000ft of elevation" means nothing to them. Now if Rob had left an RV ride activity in there that was 4:00 per mile for a number of consecutive miles, up down or flat, you might have a hope of convincing them to see the light. But he hasn't.

Stravaman wrote:

Ukrunner777 wrote:

RY Facebook is loosing likes!!! This is the slow long road to a fanbase of only Turkish. He not only shot himself in the foot, he shot himself in the wrong toe.

Got some numbers? Screenshots?

So what was the connection with all the Turkish fans? I remember seeing a graph where like 85 of the likes and views from his facebook page came from Turkey. So was he buying likes for his facebook page so it looked more popular?

How can anyone believe this BS. There is overwhelming evidence that he's cheating. This is like Rossi on steroids.

GoogleSearcher wrote:

I wonder if RY gave up, or if he's scheming to upload the rest. His google history would be pretty entertaining now:

"letsrun robert young"

"how to crop activity strava"

"how to slow down activity strava"

"how to edit GPX files"

etc

etc

We need to make Rob Younger cheater the first page of results for everyone.

Hold on a sec... wrote:

Thanks for nothing. wrote:

Oops, shot yourself in the foot there.

Press Release

Robert Young can not be considered a cheat because of a data malfunction, to quote LetsRun.com "There are huge gaps, so how can the data possibly be used to confirm or deny his cheating when there is so much missing?". Also, we have various other forms of back up and witnesses to indicate he did not cheat.

Jaimie Fuller

Don't we have the missing strava data? If so, can't we simply forward it to Jaime and at the very least let him know that this data was captured by LRC before Rob erased it.

Yes, we have some of the missing (original) data. But Rob, Dustin and Michael will claim that because we are trolls and haters we have manipulated that data in an attempt to prove fraud.

Michael Speicher wrote:

Dustin and Rob. wrote:

Thanks Rachel.

Yours sincerely

Dustin and Rob.

Yeah, thanks Rach, looks like I'll be keeping my job now, was a bit touch and go there for a while what with the data malfunction and all.

Michael Sphincter's job is to service Rob the Knob and Dustbin at appropriate intervals. Afternoon Blumpkin a speciality

This is even way more egregious than I thought. I compared a random sampling of Strava activities to TomTom screenshots, and it is abundantly clear to me that the TomTom screenshots are showing elapsed time.

This makes the Bannock data manipulation so blatant. I redid the analysis using Strava elapsed time and taking the TomTom time as the elapsed time. There is now a 1 mile section at 45mph that has been cropped off. I guess Robbie was used to keeping the watch on in the car...

http://i.imgur.com/cf0vnnC.jpg

team1.kml wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Interesting, I thought GPS devices get the time from the satellites...

doesn't make sense. All GPS receivers will know about time zones and when the two segments are displayed side by side in the TomTom website, even if two watches logged in different time zones they should be listed in the display time zone. My two cents.

Just to bump this - I've been comparing Strava vs. TomTom and yes, somehow, it appears the TomTom time zones were way off on occasion. Don't know how to explain it, but it appears to be true.

Suggest these guys are involved in the independent review. They know some of the key players already.

Investigator wrote:

This is even way more egregious than I thought. I compared a random sampling of Strava activities to TomTom screenshots, and it is abundantly clear to me that the TomTom screenshots are showing elapsed time.

This makes the Bannock data manipulation so blatant. I redid the analysis using Strava elapsed time and taking the TomTom time as the elapsed time. There is now a 1 mile section at 45mph that has been cropped off. I guess Robbie was used to keeping the watch on in the car...

http://i.imgur.com/cf0vnnC.jpg

OK I explained this more here:

as a follow-up.

And no, this is not a blog that says its a blog to promote my own personal blog... Doesn't even have my name on it (which apparently, if you don't know the last name of the person who produced data, that means its worthless, according to Jaimie Fuller...) This was just an idea to organize the information in a coherent space for anyone to look at, rather than "its somewhere near the end of the 414 page LR thread, go have a look"...

logical fallacy wrote:

And since he refuses to release the real GPS data with HR and cadence

The TomTom watches only record HR data if you turn that feature on. He would leave that off to avoid collecting the data and save battery life.

tomtom owner wrote:

logical fallacy wrote:

And since he refuses to release the real GPS data with HR and cadence

The TomTom watches only record HR data if you turn that feature on. He would leave that off to avoid collecting the data and save battery life.

What model do you have? If the activity type is Run which is what he was showing on the screenshots HR is enforced and you can't start the session without it first having locked on to it. Please specify (a) what model and year of purchase you have and (b) how you do a 'Run' activity with HR turned off - specify the menu options you use. Even better can you provide a shared public view to a Run session you did with HR turned off? On mysports, not Strava.

TurkeyTurkey wrote:

Stravaman wrote:

Got some numbers? Screenshots?

So what was the connection with all the Turkish fans? I remember seeing a graph where like 85 of the likes and views from his facebook page came from Turkey. So was he buying likes for his facebook page so it looked more popular?

Not at all. 75.9% of marathonmanuk facebook likes are from Turkey and 16.7% from the UK. There's a large community of new/slow runners in Turkey and they're big fans of ultramarathon running and obscure multi-day running challenges.

Investigator wrote:

Guy with a TomTom account who posted yesterday - does that summary dashboard display MOVING time or ELAPSED time for the activity? Thanks.

There is no concept of moving time with TomTom watches/analysis software. Strava will manually calculate elapsed time if you tranfer the data.

tom tom tom wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Guy with a TomTom account who posted yesterday - does that summary dashboard display MOVING time or ELAPSED time for the activity? Thanks.

There is no concept of moving time with TomTom watches/analysis software. Strava will manually calculate **moving** time if you tranfer the data.

corrected above.

Most of his fanboys seem to be women. Let's hear if for the ladies! Maybe dial back the Prozac.

Just as one can buy tens of thousands of FACEBOOK FRIENDS, it is just as easy to generate bogus comments of support by the bushelful, replete with the familiar poor grammar and crap syntax of the sub-literate. I wonder who that might be?

Here, let me try a few:

Coach sKeev: Don't let the jalousie of the haters get you down Rob. We'll always have Paris. I've been doing lots of kegels and have bought a new can of schmaltz.

Pamela Pink-Pudd: Rob gave me the best hug of ever in my life in the middle of the London Marethon. You inspired me to lose fifteen stone and become a Page 3 Girl. Then that evil man Rupert Murdoch went and got rid of Page 3. I now have to lose fifteen stone again.

Joan Jubblies: Just like the haters hating ruined Lance Armstrongs superman achievements, they are now trying to destroy Rob. Why don't you just go and join ISIS haters?

Skins problem wrote:

TurkeyTurkey wrote:

So what was the connection with all the Turkish fans? I remember seeing a graph where like 85 of the likes and views from his facebook page came from Turkey. So was he buying likes for his facebook page so it looked more popular?

Not at all. 75.9% of marathonmanuk facebook likes are from Turkey and 16.7% from the UK. There's a large community of new/slow runners in Turkey and they're big fans of ultramarathon running and obscure multi-day running challenges.

http://imgur.com/Koa1IYP

I'm assuming this is a troll post.

There is no way in hell the Turkish likes are real. Not once on any of RY's Facebook posts have I seen a Turkish profile post a comment. Besides the location of the likes not being his home country, the lack of interaction is key.

The other warning sign is the massively skewed distribution of like locations. A page with that many likes should not have 30,000 more likes in Turkey than the next popular country, the UK, with 10,000. The nature of the way Facebook shows posts to people means people in the UK should see the posts as well, meaning there should be more UK likes. The only legitimate way to get so many Turkish likes without also accruing UK likes would be if he specifically targeted ads to Turkey, and hid his page from the UK (this is possible in the page settings). Otherwise it would be inevitable to gain UK likes along with any other likes as the following grows.