I'm Done. The Mezra death brought home how cycincal and damaging this website it to real people

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Seven11 wrote:

Yes. This is the biggest takeaway for me. What a tragedy.

Almost anybody will be forgiven for almost anything, if only they come clean, swallow their pride and humbly ask for forgiveness. Easier said than done.

I don't believe forgiveness was the issue for Meza. His image was obviously important to him and for his self-perception to go from successful, respected doctor and marathon star to marathon cheater would have been overwhelming.

Hence, the need to "swallow his pride". As stated, this is easier said than done.

The Mooch wrote:

This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?

There are some 'Online Reputation' unregistered posters hired by the widow to protect Frank's image, or perhaps to excuse his cheating.

They are worse than lawyers who chase ambulances. Call them Morgue Chasers.

All they are doing is encouraging others to come up with more evidence and further damage FM's image.

As one example:

He was not DQ-ed by LA for irregular splits or a timing failure. A quicker split indicates that your timing chip (on your bib or shoe) arrived at said second mat of split in the time indicated. It is not a missed read (which sometimes happens) nor a rogue chip from bystanders which would have a totally different ID.

It is absolute proof that the chip that crossed both sets of mats at said time is the same chip, assigned to the same runner.

You 'Online Reputation' trolls are a disgrace, and just making money out of other's grief

I'd like to see a full list of Jesse's races and times. That guy sure knows a lot about cheating and cheaters.

Still waiting wrote:

I'd like to see a full list of Jesse's races and times. That guy sure knows a lot about cheating and cheaters.

Is a resume of [qualitative] race results a criteria for commenting on the Meza cheating issue?

If so, why don't you kick things off?

(I assume mine aren't in question as apparently I've already been "dox'd" by someone with a lot of time and and axe to grind).

I said the Bike from the beginning, BEFORE the picture as it's only logical. You've come up with zero new info, only repeated what others have already posted. Congrats!

This guy seemed like the original paid Frank defender.

It took me awhile = online reputation wrote:

This guy seemed like the original paid Frank defender.

you honestly think a persona that kept goading and trolling people was someone being paid to help Frank? if so then the family deserves a refund.

I'm pretty sure those guys had bigger concerns than shiit posting in a letsrun thread. like using the media/social media to put out an alternative story that would reach more than just a few hundred forum poster who had already made up their minds.

It took me awhile = garden variety LR troll

Hidden fences wrote:

The lamag article mentions the family placing Frank's medals on a table. I remembered a pic of his medals from the thread and thought I remembered something odd about the pic. I plugged "Frank Meza's medals" into the googalator and the image I recalled was there. What's odd ( to me) is that the top medal was from the 2014 CIM Marathon which he was dq'd from. Not sure what that means about a person. Denial of facts, trying to act as if it didn't happen, I don't know what. Also was it co-incidence that medal was on top, or was it purposely placed there? Who knows, I just thought it was odd. Not sure I'd even keep it if I'd been dq'd.

I think the 2016 SF Marathon medal was in the picture, too bad they didn't include a picture of Frank on a bike too! That would be hilarious!

The Mooch wrote:

This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?

I would like to see him DQ from the 2016 SF marathon, there's a picture of him on a bike! Also, would like him DQ from the Phoenix marathon, so people don't chase impossible times!

nope wrote:

you honestly think a persona that kept goading and trolling people was someone being paid to help Frank? if so then the family deserves a refund.

Amongst all the childish stuff he did try to hijack the narrative, and did try to portray an alternative explanation - it was obvious bullshit but all these people try to do is cast doubt so that it appears that the evidence is not overwhelming. The interesting thing is that when people hijacked his unregistered username and gave some back, he vanished, this of course can prove anything you like.

Hello, stupid. You can find several of my times from the pre-Internet days, same place as everyone else’s. If you don’t know, ask somebody who’s more knowledgeable (this should be millions of people).

ojsimpson wrote:

Why is the autopsy report still not available on Marathon Investigation?

Why am I paying them $20 a month if they don't give us the goodies?

Because you are a fool?

Ernest wrote:

Still waiting wrote:

I'd like to see a full list of Jesse's races and times. That guy sure knows a lot about cheating and cheaters.

Is a resume of [qualitative] race results a criteria for commenting on the Meza cheating issue?

If so, why don't you kick things off?

(I assume mine aren't in question as apparently I've already been "dox'd" by someone with a lot of time and and axe to grind).

Catch up, bro. Jesse has been caught lying about his race times. Dude is dishonest as the day is long.

Cheaters know cheaters though.

pattylover2001 wrote:

The Mooch wrote:

This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?

I would like to see him DQ from the 2016 SF marathon, there's a picture of him on a bike! Also, would like him DQ from the Phoenix marathon, so people don't chase impossible times!

Marathon Investigator guy is still working on that. Patience.

Sorry junior, you are lying

From the Loyola High Website: The biggest mark of the weekend was left by Loyola XC/distance assistant coach Dr. Frank Meza, who won his age group race (70+) at the Sprouts Mesa-PHX Marathon. His time of 2:53:54 set a new U.S. and World Record, besting the old record of 2:54:27 set two months ago.

This "record setting" race that was trumpeted via Loyola has been shown as fraudulent, but now since Doc committed suicide the result still stands...

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

nope wrote:

you honestly think a persona that kept goading and trolling people was someone being paid to help Frank? if so then the family deserves a refund.

Amongst all the childish stuff he did try to hijack the narrative, and did try to portray an alternative explanation - it was obvious bullshit but all these people try to do is cast doubt so that it appears that the evidence is not overwhelming. The interesting thing is that when people hijacked his unregistered username and gave some back, he vanished, this of course can prove anything you like.

It seemed to me some "Frank supporters" seemed to have little (competitive) running knowledge, didn't participate outside the thread, so arrived at LR specifically to scare folks off, throw them off the trail, shite-post to drown the thread, seed doubt, and sock-puppet contrary consensus.

These are the sorts of thing a well-meaning relative, Online Reputation Management company troll, and/or non-running supporters would do.

The LA Mag article mentions Meza's daughter was monitoring media.

60 year old farmer commits suicide after getting busted committing fraud, sounds familiar...

https://fox2now.com/2019/08/20/missouri-man-blamed-for-largest-organic-food-fraud-in-us-history-has-died-by-suicide-days-after-sentencing/