OKAY FINE. Maybe a camper shouldn’t have had their head in the toilet. Still, I’m 26 now. I’m old enough to supervise your kids. I can drive safely. I’ll feed them balanced meals. I babysat a few times in high school. Yeah, yeah. Check, check. Nobody’s going to die…
…Seventeen high school runners flew across the country because they were promised that they’d be taught media skills: how to improve their writing, take a better photo, structure a good YouTube video. We always joked that it could be the Fyre Festival of summer camps—entirely disastrous, a huge scam, completely humiliating.
really dont see what point you're trying to make here
The fact is a camp, and any adult responsible in a business setting for young people should have to go through various health & safety checks + training, a DBS check (idk the US equivalent), have insurance.. etc etc
It may sound ridiculous but many office jobs have training on how to plug cables into your computer safely, how to lift boxes without injuries and to not store open drinks next to machinery... This is the real world now for these NewGen folks, a cavalier teenage attitude doesn't cut it anymore, so they either have to admit it's not a real business and they were just hanging out with young teenagers as 'friends', or, they operating as a terribly ran business.
It only takes one of those kids to actually feel like they were being bullied / peer pressured / coerced into something, and the show is over, completely. Sorry Matt & Ben, no more pics of the girls in the bathrooms, distasteful interviews or half-baked apologies.
OKAY FINE. Maybe a camper shouldn’t have had their head in the toilet. Still, I’m 26 now. I’m old enough to supervise your kids. I can drive safely. I’ll feed them balanced meals. I babysat a few times in high school. Yeah, yeah. Check, check. Nobody’s going to die…
…Seventeen high school runners flew across the country because they were promised that they’d be taught media skills: how to improve their writing, take a better photo, structure a good YouTube video. We always joked that it could be the Fyre Festival of summer camps—entirely disastrous, a huge scam, completely humiliating.
really dont see what point you're trying to make here
The fact is a camp, and any adult responsible in a business setting for young people should have to go through various health & safety checks + training, a DBS check (idk the US equivalent), have insurance.. etc etc
It may sound ridiculous but many office jobs have training on how to plug cables into your computer safely, how to lift boxes without injuries and to not store open drinks next to machinery... This is the real world now for these NewGen folks, a cavalier teenage attitude doesn't cut it anymore, so they either have to admit it's not a real business and they were just hanging out with young teenagers as 'friends', or, they operating as a terribly ran business.
It only takes one of those kids to actually feel like they were being bullied / peer pressured / coerced into something, and the show is over, completely. Sorry Matt & Ben, no more pics of the girls in the bathrooms, distasteful interviews or half-baked apologies.
They’ll already have a tough time getting sponsors now. Shoe brands don’t want to be associated with grooming behavior
OKAY FINE. Maybe a camper shouldn’t have had their head in the toilet. Still, I’m 26 now. I’m old enough to supervise your kids. I can drive safely. I’ll feed them balanced meals. I babysat a few times in high school. Yeah, yeah. Check, check. Nobody’s going to die…
…Seventeen high school runners flew across the country because they were promised that they’d be taught media skills: how to improve their writing, take a better photo, structure a good YouTube video. We always joked that it could be the Fyre Festival of summer camps—entirely disastrous, a huge scam, completely humiliating.
really dont see what point you're trying to make here
The fact is a camp, and any adult responsible in a business setting for young people should have to go through various health & safety checks + training, a DBS check (idk the US equivalent), have insurance.. etc etc
It may sound ridiculous but many office jobs have training on how to plug cables into your computer safely, how to lift boxes without injuries and to not store open drinks next to machinery... This is the real world now for these NewGen folks, a cavalier teenage attitude doesn't cut it anymore, so they either have to admit it's not a real business and they were just hanging out with young teenagers as 'friends', or, they operating as a terribly ran business.
It only takes one of those kids to actually feel like they were being bullied / peer pressured / coerced into something, and the show is over, completely. Sorry Matt & Ben, no more pics of the girls in the bathrooms, distasteful interviews or half-baked apologies.
lol is your account named that bc of your single brain cell? Also, you are correct that (It may sound ridiculous but many office jobs have training on how to plug cables into your computer safely, how to lift boxes without injuries and to not store open drinks next to machinery) does sound ridiculous
Maybe Matt Wisner, Ben Crawford, New Gen in general aren't ghosting the situation, maybe they are going to stop posting all together hopefully
It would be nice if they started acting less weird around minors too. Maybe don’t tell them to sexualize your friends anymore, that’s so over the line.
It shouldn't until there is a response and a resolution
Yeah, I think they're just hoping it'll go away by ignoring it. Assuming no responsibility. Definitely the kind of traits you'd love to see in people mentoring your children.
Regardless, the point of this thread was the toxicity of these young men and their actions/response to criticism.
They posted potentially traumatic pictures of boys abusing girls. Not because it was art, but as a fellow camper said, because it was "funny." When I was in high school, I had classmates overdosing on heroin. Maybe it would be "funny" to do a collection influenced by needle sharing? How about a really "funny" one about gym teachers showering with their students? Or is that one a little too "close"? Classic Y2K 16 candles related humor!!
The "adults" in the room have power both as mentors and owners of a media outlet. They may not have meant to, but they have to understand their influence. You could imagine the peer pressure these high school girls felt when all of the boys and 24 year old camp counselors were patting themselves on the back for such a great idea. Try being a 16 year old girl in a room full of people you want to fit in with (or are hoping to be hired by) and saying no to that idea. "Want to be the one shoved into a locker? That would be so cool!"
Then the response to the criticism was to light Emma Gee up, calling her a disappointment to her parents because she is gay and saying it was because she could capture the male gaze.
New Generation wouldn't necessarily have to answer for this, yet they posted the pictures on their page and even apologized for it (for an hour before removing the post).
Sounds like they were full baked smoking out those high school kids lol
What apologies? There's no accountability with these people. What's also scary is they're hosting these activities on college campuses. A school like Colorado should probably look into these groups more. Does CU know about these photos?
really dont see what point you're trying to make here
The fact is a camp, and any adult responsible in a business setting for young people should have to go through various health & safety checks + training, a DBS check (idk the US equivalent), have insurance.. etc etc
It may sound ridiculous but many office jobs have training on how to plug cables into your computer safely, how to lift boxes without injuries and to not store open drinks next to machinery... This is the real world now for these NewGen folks, a cavalier teenage attitude doesn't cut it anymore, so they either have to admit it's not a real business and they were just hanging out with young teenagers as 'friends', or, they operating as a terribly ran business.
It only takes one of those kids to actually feel like they were being bullied / peer pressured / coerced into something, and the show is over, completely. Sorry Matt & Ben, no more pics of the girls in the bathrooms, distasteful interviews or half-baked apologies.
I think this is a really good point: even if we give New Gen the benefit of the doubt on some of the more egregious examples, the overall camper-counselor dynamic seems way too 'friendly' and unprofessional.
I get that the age gap isn't huge (and the maturity gap seems to be even smaller) but, as a counselor, you simply can't approach this camp as if you're 'hanging out' with the kids.
Activities should be structured, planned ahead, and collectively agreed upon. For example, there should be no opportunity to just be sitting around and decide to take a sexually-explicit online quiz with your campers. (I mean, that couldn't have been planned ahead, right?)
Sleeping arrangements should be well-defined and enforced. I don't like the notion of the house being 'not quite big enough for all of us' and having people 'sleeping on couches'.
All camper-counselor interactions should err on the side of being overly professional -- even something like the following exchange rubs me the wrong way:
Before we leave for Rocky Mountain National Park, Carter (counselor) makes a comment about how much he loves my shirt, a Geoff Hollister Athletics Club merch drop from the early 2000s. It’d never been worn before and my dad sent it with me to camp because he thought it would get that type of reaction. In the car, Matt makes the same comment about the shirt. He’s wearing his New Gen Pizza polo, something that maybe one day will be just as rare as the one I’m wearing. After thinking for a bit, we make a deal to trade. I got home and my dad said I should’ve negotiated for more.
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Matt and I trade our shirts right before we get out of the car at the park. Earlier he said that it smelled bad. It does, but I don’t mention it. Carter (counselor) frowns as he sees our new outfits. “Don’t worry, you can just steal it from Matt whenever you want to wear it.”
This feels like something that should happen between fellow campers, not an adult and a minor.