Robert Young fakes run across America

Nightman wrote:

i chose D2 wrote:

Rob has disabled Fly-Bys on his runs. Yet another move that says, "I'm hiding something, and doing a very bad job at it."

Moron. All we would have to do is create a dummy profile with the data to replicate that.

it's being done

Investigator wrote:

not a strava user wrote:http://imgur.com/a/Faz5P

Fastest 2 mile stretch is only 11:47 which is why I thought the "best estimated 2 mile effort" at 8:57 might be a conversion to flat course at sea level.

The fastest 2 miles does not have to start from an exact mile split, if that's what you mean... Don't know how you would be determining that...

To have a 2-mile stretch, you'd have to have at least one whole mile included listed in the splits. Fastest mile is 5:50. If that's part of the "best estimated 2 mile effort" of 8:57, then the other mile must be 3:07 (split up before and after the 5:50 mile since there is no whole mile split at 3:07 or anything close to it). That's why I thought maybe 8:57 was a conversion, not an actual 2-mile segment of this run.

Like I said, I'm not a strava user so I'm trying to understand how this is calculated and what it means.

team1.kml wrote:

Nightman wrote:

Moron. All we would have to do is create a dummy profile with the data to replicate that.

it's being done

Fake Rob Young is also doing it for the children:

Let me know when he uploads new data so I can keep it in sync :-)

Seems like I have one or two that are no longer on his profile because the mileage differs. Not sure which one it is.

i think if you are a strava user logged in, it shows more stuff like pace (or if you download it and load onto your own). And they've been talking about his pace spiking into the 2 - 3 minute per mile range on occasion... showing that it's really hard to fake run speed in a vehicle for 3,000 miles without screwing it up at least once.

Here are screenshots of a 24.1 mega run on May 20 that has since been removed from strava.

http://imgur.com/a/SL37M

noobrunner wrote:

i think if you are a strava user logged in, it shows more stuff like pace (or if you download it and load onto your own). And they've been talking about his pace spiking into the 2 - 3 minute per mile range on occasion... showing that it's really hard to fake run speed in a vehicle for 3,000 miles without screwing it up at least once.

especially if they are averaging 10 mph with no cruise control...

I would've created an account in strava to view more info if I had known. Oh well. Hopefully someone else captured it, and at least I got screenshots. I have more screenshots than I've posted that I can post later.

I wonder if Dustin and Michael had the gps watch on the dashboard and watched its pace instead of the speedometer, to keep them from going too fast like sub-5 miles. Who knows.

I am extremely offended by Mr Fuller's "troll" excuses.

As a matter of fact I did comment on his self a aggrandizing blog with full name and main email.

Because I care about that.

A sideshow of this should investigate Mr Fuller's antics.

not a strava user wrote:

Here are screenshots of a 24.1 mega run on May 20 that has since been removed from strava.

http://imgur.com/a/SL37M

That mega-run was one of the infamous "below the fold" runs from the TomTom screenshots. You can see it here:

Before that was deleted, I was looking closely and saw a sub-2:00 pace for about 3/4 of a mile, followed by a backtrack and some waiting.

For the LRC investigators, here are the other TomTom screenshots whose details were obscured by the fold:

All screenshots:

Howard Dean wrote:

From one of his Facebook minions:

"...if you remove the inte and y from integrity you are left with GRIT"

WTF does that even mean?

It means that the meaning of the word 'integrity' for Robbie has been destroyed by removing letters…and Robbie is just left with …none of the word 'integrity'. The word now has no meaning in reference to Robbie.

Anybody familiar with code-for-hire listing on the web? We could advertise for the skills needed for an independent expert so Skins and Mr Fuller cannot easily weasel out with a "nephew IT expert".

Nightman wrote:

i chose D2 wrote:

Rob has disabled Fly-Bys on his runs. Yet another move that says, "I'm hiding something, and doing a very bad job at it."

Moron. All we would have to do is create a dummy profile with the data to replicate that.

Simmer down, cupcake.

Asher Delmott wrote:

EMPORIA wrote:

Well it appears on first pass that this actually does match his claims...

Now I know what bar he stopped at, although it looks like that part of the story probably checks out.

Yes, Rob was on the left sidewalk, walking by the look of it and stopped at Mary's Place to use the barmaid's cell phone. Of interest is the 4th km split of 3:22 so he decided to stretch the legs for a bit there:

Sorry if someone already pointed this out, but think I found a great tell in the maps.

For some of the segments that start insanely fast and then end slowly, you will see a "buttonhook" pattern showing the TomTom backtracked slightly on it self. Sure appears like TomTom is in a vehicle, vehicle veers to the right and stops, watch and person get out on right side and walk towards back of the vehicle, person starts running and resumes previous track vehicle was on. Have found a couple of instances. Because of how the segments have been split it isn't always obvious when the switch occurred. Also number of instances where looks like pull over and continue on without the walk back. Either way, very straight GPS with fast miles, interruption in path, then slow miles that aren't nearly as straight as before.

See May 17 Evening Run (timestamp 8:37pm), 13th mile for clear example...

http://imgur.com/C5pISs1

Mile 1 - 5:43

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Mile 11 - 6:14

Mile 12 - 6:02

Mile 13 - 8:31 (button hook occurs towards end of mile, which makes sense with the split time)

Mile 14 - 11:42

0.3 - 20:21

Does this seem plausible based on what Laz reported about how Rob ran?? Why get out and bother running the end of this May 17 segment only to pick up and "hammer" the next segment at blistering speeds?

crete wrote:

team1.kml wrote:

Good job finding that slipup.

This is 100% proof he cheated. It shows the TomTom data had 1 extra mile in it that did not appear in the Strava upload. This extra mile was covered in 2 minutes.

bump. this part of the thread is too important to bury.

thanks for checking that out and clarifying the name of the device on the strava links. Do you know about cadence? any idea about his watch type and whether there was cadence or HR data associated with it?

team1.kml wrote:

crete wrote:

This is 100% proof he cheated. It shows the TomTom data had 1 extra mile in it that did not appear in the Strava upload. This extra mile was covered in 2 minutes.

bump. this part of the thread is too important to bury.

He also deleted Stava comments questioning this run...

Investigator wrote:

team1.kml wrote:

bump. this part of the thread is too important to bury.

He also deleted Stava comments questioning this run...

It would be good to consolidate this into a nice graphic and have one of the few of us that still has post access to the MarathonManUK board to share it and solicit public comment...

Taway wrote:

Anybody familiar with code-for-hire listing on the web? We could advertise for the skills needed for an independent expert so Skins and Mr Fuller cannot easily weasel out with a "nephew IT expert".

He used the word "panel" with me, I think it will be legit, I suggested DCRainmaker. I think it'd be good to have a few people on it, maybe:

-ultarunner/phsiologist to put claims in perspective

-GPS/endurance device dude (rainmaker)

-whiz coder/analytic/big data type

-hardball chairman, interviewer, mouthpiece guy