Robert Young fakes run across America

Investigator, what's the best email address to use to contact Jamie Fuller?

Investigator wrote:

Any LRC folks have a TomTom? What happens when you "Sync to Strava" from the site? Will Strava identify the device as TomTom?

When you download GPX then upload it? What does Strava show for device then?

Curious to what extent he manipulated these? Clearly there is no HR/cadence which is to be expected, right? Are those purposely stripped do you think, or did he figure out that GPX files would simply not contain that info, instead of TCX or linking to TomTom?

The data uploaded to the Joanna Strava account clearly showed it was a TomTom device. That loaded to the rob Young account was .gpx files (so no time of day). Look at some of the screenshots I posted to imgur - both types are in there.

stravaman wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Check out the other accounts on this activity:

https://www.strava.com/activities/617391631

He has 2 fake sandbox accounts to play with uploading data.

Main account is "rob young". Play ones are "Rob Young" and "Fred Baker"

No. Again, I am Fred Baker and I uploaded the data I ripped from his page before.

+1 (apologies to "giver of +1") Thanks for doing that stravaman/Fred. Makes sense to me.

Best email address? wrote:

Investigator, what's the best email address to use to contact Jamie Fuller?

I just used the one he puts on his Twitter profile

direct link TomTom to strava

Racergirl wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Any LRC folks have a TomTom? What happens when you "Sync to Strava" from the site? Will Strava identify the device as TomTom?

When you download GPX then upload it? What does Strava show for device then?

Curious to what extent he manipulated these? Clearly there is no HR/cadence which is to be expected, right? Are those purposely stripped do you think, or did he figure out that GPX files would simply not contain that info, instead of TCX or linking to TomTom?

The data uploaded to the Joanna Strava account clearly showed it was a TomTom device. That loaded to the rob Young account was .gpx files (so no time of day). Look at some of the screenshots I posted to imgur - both types are in there.

Hmm, yeah... We did confirm that his TomTom definitely records cadence/HR right?

Racergirl wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Any LRC folks have a TomTom? What happens when you "Sync to Strava" from the site? Will Strava identify the device as TomTom?

When you download GPX then upload it? What does Strava show for device then?

Curious to what extent he manipulated these? Clearly there is no HR/cadence which is to be expected, right? Are those purposely stripped do you think, or did he figure out that GPX files would simply not contain that info, instead of TCX or linking to TomTom?

The data uploaded to the Joanna Strava account clearly showed it was a TomTom device. That loaded to the rob Young account was .gpx files (so no time of day). Look at some of the screenshots I posted to imgur - both types are in there.

yes it did, but that's just a text field for what he nicknamed his device. He could have called it "My monkey" instead.

team1.kml wrote:

Racergirl wrote:

The data uploaded to the Joanna Strava account clearly showed it was a TomTom device. That loaded to the rob Young account was .gpx files (so no time of day). Look at some of the screenshots I posted to imgur - both types are in there.

yes it did, but that's just a text field for what he nicknamed his device. He could have called it "My monkey" instead.

Hmm, you sure, didn't think so. I can't change mine from "Garmin Forerunner 910XT". I think that is metadata Strava puts up.

Investigator wrote:

Best email address? wrote:

Investigator, what's the best email address to use to contact Jamie Fuller?

I just used the one he puts on his Twitter profile

there ya go not hard

Investigator wrote:

what a sham wrote:

what a joke ... Skins really should get this right, but I reckon it'll play out like this:

-RY: We aren't familiar with the Stravas and didn't know we could sync directly with the watch, so we uploaded the files manually.

-LRC: Where's the rest of the datas? HR? Cadence? You know ... the stuff that'll clear your good name.

-RY: I don't know, it should all be there. We deleted the files from the watch after downloading them, so all we have now are these .gpx files that we totally didn't alter in any way.

-Skins: See guys ... is legits!

Exactly, was just thinking that.

What a joke.

Or, it will play out like this:

The "independent investigation team" will only have Rob's (doctored and edited) Strava account to investigate and all data in there will be feasible (even if there are segments equal to his PRs). The team will find nothing untoward about the data. The result of the investigation will be inconclusive. Rob lays low for a good while and starts his next challenge "for the kids" after an appropriate recovery period.

Or:

The investigation team finds that there is something suspect about the Strava data (that data will be all they have to investigate as the tom tom watches have been cleared). Rob confesses to "some" RV riding. Jaimie reports this in his followup next week and says that this particular challenge was to raise money "for the kids" so Rob gets off with a warning and SKINS either continues or stops their sponsorship of "their athlete" depending on social media interaction.

Rob has plenty of new walking pics on Facebook. He also has some night videos. That pace looks like about 11:00 per mile running. (At best) And he wants us to believe he was running sub 6 out west?

Who said Guinness records don't have integrity:

Mother who ran London Marathon dressed as a witch didn't break world record because her dress was too short

"A spokesman for Guinness World Records said it had to set guidelines to make it fair.

They said: "With all our records we have a set of guidelines in place"

Which in the case of Rob, Parvaneh and Larry don't have to be adhered to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/mother-who-ran-london-marathon-dressed-as-a-witch-didnt-break-wo/

Re: the debate over Strava "moving time" vs. "elapsed time", these data show that when he was moving, he was at many times "running" at ~ 6:00/mile pace, in very difficult conditions.

Right? Or am I misunderstanding?

rosshm16 wrote:

Re: the debate over Strava "moving time" vs. "elapsed time", these data show that when he was moving, he was at many times "running" at ~ 6:00/mile pace, in very difficult conditions.

Right? Or am I misunderstanding?

Correct. The thing is, he could be running .1 miles at a time, taking a 30s break, going again, etc. Still too fast, and stupid. But we can't know anything about actual elapsed time over a certain mile or something from this Strava.

As some have mentioned, you could cross-reference to the RV tracker for some more info.

The Strava "best efforts" will be accurate - actual elapsed time for that distance.

If some other people want to tell Mr. Fuller that Robert Young is releasing incomplete, unoriginal, altered data, feel free. He should demand lockdown of the TomTom account, and Mr. Young's response to a request for that would tell you everything you need to know.

This is not asking to look through a guy's emails or HIPAA record or love notes or something. This is about integrity of data about which he is making public claims, and data which he is releasing publicly himself in a manipulative, unacceptable form.

No, Robert Young does not have to share his TomTom login with anyone if he doesn't want to, he can't be physically compelled. But it should be a condition of sponsorship by SKINS.

Investigator wrote:

If some other people want to tell Mr. Fuller that Robert Young is releasing incomplete, unoriginal, altered data, feel free. He should demand lockdown of the TomTom account, and Mr. Young's response to a request for that would tell you everything you need to know.

This is not asking to look through a guy's emails or HIPAA record or love notes or something. This is about integrity of data about which he is making public claims, and data which he is releasing publicly himself in a manipulative, unacceptable form.

No, Robert Young does not have to share his TomTom login with anyone if he doesn't want to, he can't be physically compelled. But it should be a condition of sponsorship by SKINS.

Investigator wrote:

Correct. The thing is, he could be running .1 miles at a time, taking a 30s break, going again, etc. Still too fast, and stupid. But we can't know anything about actual elapsed time over a certain mile or something from this Strava.

As some have mentioned, you could cross-reference to the RV tracker for some more info.

The Strava "best efforts" will be accurate - actual elapsed time for that distance.

I'm still not following why elapsed time is necessary here. Is "maybe he was doing intervals for 30 miles" the argument?

I think it's beyond the feasibility of human physiology that someone running across the country was doing these paces, this often, regardless of how frequently they stopped entirely to rest.

rosshm16 wrote:

Investigator wrote:

Correct. The thing is, he could be running .1 miles at a time, taking a 30s break, going again, etc. Still too fast, and stupid. But we can't know anything about actual elapsed time over a certain mile or something from this Strava.

As some have mentioned, you could cross-reference to the RV tracker for some more info.

The Strava "best efforts" will be accurate - actual elapsed time for that distance.

I'm still not following why elapsed time is necessary here. Is "maybe he was doing intervals for 30 miles" the argument?

I think it's beyond the feasibility of human physiology that someone running across the country was doing these paces, this often, regardless of how frequently they stopped entirely to rest.

I completely agree. It just irked me that people are saying "look at this mile stretch done in 5:xx or whatever". We just cannot say that without the complete data. There is no knowledge of the amount of time passed between 2 points based on just looking at the Strava splits. The time when he is stopped is completely ignored by Strava for that. Just making sure we put the right analysis out there to be credible.

But yes, I don't care how many breaks you take, the paces he runs are unrealistic.

Investigator wrote:

If some other people want to tell Mr. Fuller that Robert Young is releasing incomplete, unoriginal, altered data, feel free. He should demand lockdown of the TomTom account, and Mr. Young's response to a request for that would tell you everything you need to know.

Just done that and more.