Exactly! Women got to enjoy sports for about 10 minutes. This sucks!
Exactly! Women got to enjoy sports for about 10 minutes. This sucks!
You said this so well! I could not agree more. Women are expected to keep sweet, even when we are being totally screwed over.
Eastwood ran 4;45 mile this weekend. Nearly 45 slower.
kblened wrote:
Eastwood ran 4;45 mile this weekend. Nearly 45 slower.
Make that 35 or so seconds not lik e 4:15
some thoughts
- she seems like a lovely person
- she's worked hard to get there
- her presence will not effect anyone else
some other thoughts
- the female category in sports must remain a protected class in order for it to exist
- being born male is a big genetic advantage regardless of when or how you transition
- while her presence in the Trials has no impact on others it sets a precedent for situations when it will matter
I'll happily support transgender womens rights to be women in every other aspect of life outside of sport but in this case I feel a distinction needs to made.
Have to agree with this. I'm pretty liberal socially and I work with the transgender community pretty regularly. Transgender females should not be competing against cisgender females, especially if they started hormones after puberty. Simply not a a level playing field. I can't understand why we don't have clearer, more thoughtful rules about this.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
some thoughts
- she seems like a lovely person
- she's worked hard to get there
- her presence will not effect anyone else
some other thoughts
- the female category in sports must remain a protected class in order for it to exist
- being born male is a big genetic advantage regardless of when or how you transition
- while her presence in the Trials has no impact on others it sets a precedent for situations when it will matter
I'll happily support transgender womens rights to be women in every other aspect of life outside of sport but in this case I feel a distinction needs to made.
When you start a statement with, “ I support ________ people other times, but...” just recognize that you don’t actually mean the first part of your statement.
“I’m not racist, but....”
“I love gay people, but...”
The female category can still be a protected class while including transpeople.
Across wrote:
Nobody cares. Good for her!
Stop with the hate. Its toxic for everyone, including yourself.
It's all fun and games until a transgender athlete gets to the olympics, and biological women (many of whom have trained at the highest level of their sport for decades) don't.
You stormfionters and rush Limbaugh nut lickers ought to rest up, fighting for your social justice must be exhausting.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
thoughts and prayers wrote:
some thoughts
- she seems like a lovely person
- she's worked hard to get there
- her presence will not effect anyone else
some other thoughts
- the female category in sports must remain a protected class in order for it to exist
- being born male is a big genetic advantage regardless of when or how you transition
- while her presence in the Trials has no impact on others it sets a precedent for situations when it will matter
I'll happily support transgender womens rights to be women in every other aspect of life outside of sport but in this case I feel a distinction needs to made.
When you start a statement with, “ I support ________ people other times, but...” just recognize that you don’t actually mean the first part of your statement.
“I’m not racist, but....”
“I love gay people, but...”
The female category can still be a protected class while including transpeople.
I never claimed that I was or wasn't a transphobe.
What I said was "I'll happily support transgender womens rights to be women in every other aspect of life outside of sport but in this case I feel a distinction needs to made." and I stand by that statement verbatim.
You (and anyone else for that matter) are free to judge and label me based on this statement as you see fit.
Across wrote:
Nobody cares. Good for her!
Stop with the hate. Its toxic for everyone, including yourself.
How is this hate? How is it toxic?
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There are many posts like this, but it takes a lot more than merely identifying as a woman. The hormone treatments are no joke and can slow someone down by 30 seconds a mile.
You and other sick people would pay to watch Tyson put a woman in a coma, but promoters are not going to schedule a fight that normal human beings don't want to watch.
You say the treatments can slow you by 30 sec a mile. To be a top 10 women in US you need to be sub 2:30. That would be 2:17 for a guy. There are 200 guys who can run that in the US right now.
The transgender female WR is 2:43, but even if one that can run 2:30 shows up, it won't end women's distance running as we know it. That person will not be making Olympic teams or placing at the top of major marathons.
Where did you get the 200 guys estimate from? According to T&F News, 2:17 was about 50th for 2019. Either way, there isn't much depth in marathon running for U.S. women.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
thoughts and prayers wrote:
some thoughts
- she seems like a lovely person
- she's worked hard to get there
- her presence will not effect anyone else
some other thoughts
- the female category in sports must remain a protected class in order for it to exist
- being born male is a big genetic advantage regardless of when or how you transition
- while her presence in the Trials has no impact on others it sets a precedent for situations when it will matter
I'll happily support transgender womens rights to be women in every other aspect of life outside of sport but in this case I feel a distinction needs to made.
When you start a statement with, “ I support ________ people other times, but...” just recognize that you don’t actually mean the first part of your statement.
“I’m not racist, but....”
“I love gay people, but...”
The female category can still be a protected class while including transpeople.
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Including transwomen in the female category is a violation of that principle, since tranwomen are not female. This nugget of insight was brought to you by...SCIENCE!
Girl who is a party to the lawsuit wins on the track. State champ.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/16/chelsea-mitchell-beats-terry-miller-transgender-tr/
*wrong thread
This person is irrelevant. What happens when you get someone that barely misses the men's standard, then 2, 3, 4 years later shows up as a woman running 2:20?
Set a precedent and ban this person.
Tychus Findlay wrote:
This person is irrelevant. What happens when you get someone that barely misses the men's standard, then 2, 3, 4 years later shows up as a woman running 2:20?
Set a precedent and ban this person.
It would probably take a 2:10 guy and it's very unlikely that will ever happen. That person, like Jenner, would be likely to wait until after he retires to transgender.
If you see his pictures, is there anyone who thinks he isn't a man?
Anyway, this dude is still not accepted by USATF:
usatf.org/events/2020/2020-u-s-olympic-team-trials-marathon/status-of-entries