It's almost like the MSM coordinate on some sort of journo-list to time their profiles together at the same time.
It's almost like the MSM coordinate on some sort of journo-list to time their profiles together at the same time.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:
if it's his only hurrah then why not go for broke. If he was turning to the marathon full time then maybe it would be good to run within himself but the fast guys up front over the last 10k will make him pay if it comes down to a foot race. Jim's strength lies in his ability to endure touch circumstances and battle through them.
As I've stated many times on here, I like Walmsley. I like his "old school" mentality of just going for it from the beginning. As he himself he said "Swing big". Maybe you miss big. Maybe you hit it out of the park. Either way, it's an epic day.
He's proven one thing...he's gonna do it his way.
That being said, while you say his strength lies in his ability to endure tough circumstances and battle through them....this is a marathon, not a 100 mile race in the mountains, on sometimes technical trails. You're "tough" circumstances in this marathon at the elite level are what, dealing with wind and rain for a bit over 2 hours? Your "down" time is 20 to 30 minutes usually at most..maybe the last 4 or 5 miles? 1200 feet of climbing over 26.2 miles?
Contrast this with him during, say UTMB, where he could have to deal with rain, wind, snow, mud, technical trails and massive climbing, plus the night time start for a good 18+ hours.
If this race featured those elements for that amount of time and he was going up against road runners, heck yes I would take Walmsley 100% to not just qualify, but win easily..and I think anyone on this board who disagrees is a moran.
I'm guaranteeing you that every person who shows up to the start line of the OT Marathon is prepared to deal with tough circumstances. Jim won't have much of an advantage here as you think.
That's fair - what i was trying to say was that if Jim pushes a 2:09 pace early and the pack starts to falter he's been through the ringer of grinding things out. A lot of Pro Marathon guys will just lick their wounds and drop out or fall off and save their bodies.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
I'm guaranteeing you that every person who shows up to the start line of the OT Marathon is prepared to deal with tough circumstances. Jim won't have much of an advantage here as you think.
Foible wrote:
Shots fired! Shots fired!
Fauble told me he has witnessed firsthand how hard Walmsley trains. “But let’s be clear about this: Jim squeaked into the Trials in the half-marathon. He ran 64:00 on the fastest course in the country,” Fauble told me.
The way the article is written, I agree it looks kind of like Fauble it taking a shot at Walmsley. But it's really just the way it's presented. I mean Walmsley also "took a shot" at Fauble by pointing out how he beat Fauble at Mt. Sac (and Ward too). The reality of that race is Fauble was a redshirt freshman and Walmsley was a senior. Now for Ward, Ward was a junior but actually older than Walmsley. Ward did go on to get 5h at NCAAs later that season in the 10k.
Here are the results.
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/24213/1624994/54th_Annual_Mt._SAC_Relays/10,000/longjack wrote:
guy has 1350 5k, 63x half and 30miler 2000ft. climb at 525 pace.
if he has fast shoes and a good day, 210 is in the cards for marathon.
what is the big mystery??
Walmsley is not running a 2:10. Not on a flat course and not in Atlanta. 2:13 on a flat course is possible, but he still has to run it first. My educated guess is that he will run 2:14-15 if he makes it to the finish.
Nice article. I didn’t know much about him prior to this. Glad he was able to turn his life around.
Just curious: typically, if a USAFA grad is discharged from service early, they are required to pay tuition and fees back (like, we are talking 150k here). Does anyone know if this was Walmsey’s situation? If so, even more props for owning up to what he did and coming out of that situation a better man.
zzzz wrote:
We found the guy without sin here. ? I'm more worried about dudes that don't feel bad when they have done things wrong, like the orange man in the Oval Office.
Seriously, do you losers have to bring politics into everything?
anon23 wrote:
People always argue that any half decent track guy could dominate ultras if they tried. But they ignore the fact that Jim is the half decent track guy
This. I don't get the anti Walmsley vibe here on letsrunourmouths. Runners said for years that if a decent runner actually moved to ultras they would crush the ultrarunners like Jurek and Krupicka. And here is Walmsley proving that point. And then catching cr*p for it. Just can't please these people.
the guy really can't lose. short of dropping out, no matter where he finishes he will be vindicated and lauded.
Great article and can't wait to see what Jim runs. His half marathon time suggests he could probably run around 2:10-2:12 on an easy course on a good weather day. I wouldn't consider Atlanta easy. It's rolling and you have to climb some the last 10K. I put him in the 2:14-2:16 range if weather is good and he has a good day. If he focused solely on the track and roads for the next four years, I absolutely think he could make an Olympic team. He needs to get in sub 28 10K and 13:30ish 5K shape IMHO. Not sure his high mileage, high elevation training is conducive to that.
phinneas wrote:
Nice article. I didn’t know much about him prior to this. Glad he was able to turn his life around.
Just curious: typically, if a USAFA grad is discharged from service early, they are required to pay tuition and fees back (like, we are talking 150k here). Does anyone know if this was Walmsey’s situation? If so, even more props for owning up to what he did and coming out of that situation a better man.
Actually I think it’s closer to 250k for full tuition and fees for 4 years at the Academy...but the point still stands. He owes Uncle Sam a lot of money and I doubt he’s even close to paying it all back..like I said in my earlier post it makes his story even more impressive!
He really screwed his life up and was able to come out of it and reach great heights in his sport, so for that reason alone I’m looking forward to seeing what he does in ATL
Xenon Nights wrote:
This. I don't get the anti Walmsley vibe here on letsrunourmouths. Runners said for years that if a decent runner actually moved to ultras they would crush the ultrarunners like Jurek and Krupicka. And here is Walmsley proving that point. And then catching cr*p for it. Just can't please these people.
It's because his fanboys are obnoxious as hell. Which is a good thing for Jim.
quickndirty wrote:
the guy really can't lose. short of dropping out, no matter where he finishes he will be vindicated and lauded.
Anything outside of the top 10 would be a failure.
Foible wrote:
If he focused solely on the track and roads for the next four years, I absolutely think he could make an Olympic team. He needs to get in sub 28 10K and 13:30ish 5K shape IMHO. Not sure his high mileage, high elevation training is conducive to that.
He would be getting too old by then. Come all future Bagel Thursday runs in Flagstaff, this is his one big shot to get some respect from the elites that look down their noses at the hobby-jogger ultra dudes.
His best strategy would be to just try to stay relaxed and hang, and then see how many NAZ Elite guys he can pick off in the last 5 miles.
under a bridge wrote:
It's because his fanboys are obnoxious as hell. Which is a good thing for Jim.
If it's a competition between LR posters and Walmsley fanboys for "who's more obnoxious," there's no contest.
Gibberish wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
It's because his fanboys are obnoxious as hell. Which is a good thing for Jim.
If it's a competition between LR posters and Walmsley fanboys for "who's more obnoxious," there's no contest.
"LR posters" don't start threads about him. Fanboys do.
Walms -mania is now officially a movement . In these dark days for American democracy Jim Walmsley is the hero America desperately needs. ??????
Xenon Nights wrote:
anon23 wrote:
People always argue that any half decent track guy could dominate ultras if they tried. But they ignore the fact that Jim is the half decent track guy
This. I don't get the anti Walmsley vibe here on letsrunourmouths. Runners said for years that if a decent runner actually moved to ultras they would crush the ultrarunners like Jurek and Krupicka. And here is Walmsley proving that point. And then catching cr*p for it. Just can't please these people.
There is no evidence that a "decent runner" would crush ultrarunners.
Jim Walmsley is a fast runner but he is not faster than others. He only has the Western States CR because the conditions where perfect that day. And trail conditions are always difficult to compare.
If you compare his 100k road time, he is mediocre at best from a elite point of view. He barely managed to stay under 7 hours last year at his Hoka event when he was beaten by that Japanese runner by 25 minutes or so.
It's all hype, people!
mathsman wrote:
quickndirty wrote:
the guy really can't lose. short of dropping out, no matter where he finishes he will be vindicated and lauded.
Anything outside of the top 10 would be a failure.
We'll see, but I bet if he's in the top 25 his fans will be on here acting like "if he really tried" he'd be top 5-10.
TheOhioState wrote:
Raggedman wrote:
Article is paywalled. Doesn't NY Times do a couple of freebies per month anymore?
I can get it free through my library. Check yours to see if you can, too.
I got through the paywall via free articles per month. Or at least it gave it to me when I pulled it up. I was on my iPad using chrome browser. It’s in the NYT magazine, not in NYT newspaper.