Lots of Last Tango in Paris talk.
The scene with Brando and his wife's body is intense.
Lots of Last Tango in Paris talk.
The scene with Brando and his wife's body is intense.
old guy 74 wrote:
old guy 73 wrote:
Can't leave out the scene in Psycho when Martin Balsam creeps down the stairs into the basement and spins the chair with someone sitting in it. Their back is turned towards him. It turns out to be the corpse of Norman Bate's mother. The solitary light bulb hanging from the ceiling starts swinging when he hits hit with his hand. The swinging light makes Mother's hollow face seem alive. A piercing sound accompanies the swinging light.
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
Hey, Old Guy 73. You must have watched it only once, back when it came out in 1960. Martin Balsam was creeping up the stairs to the 2nd floor when he was sliced and diced. The sister of the woman killed, played by Vera Miles, was the one that found "Mother".
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You're right, but you know the scene I'm talking about. Most people remember the "shower scene," I remember the scene when we first see "Mother." The swinging light and the terrifying music.
Yeah, it scared the crap out of me the first time I saw it. At the beginning of the movie there's a scene where Janet Leigh and her boyfriend had just finished a lunchtime quickie. She's wearing a bra and leaves no doubt that Jamie Leigh Curtis and her share the same genes.
Sigumd F wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
As I said, she continued with the scene and the movie and associating with her co-star and director. From that, consent may be inferred. You say she may have felt under career pressure but that tends to place in perspective how seriously or otherwise she viewed what happened. I can well understand her subsequent view of what occurred but without a reaction or protest at the time, and even shortly after, the necessary ingredients of a sexual assault aren't established. That is not a defence of Bertolucci and Brando, whose actions would tend to stretch the definition of "method" acting (if you'll pardon the expression) beyond its typically understood limits.
So, young boy. Tell me who you have raped? Maybe she, or he, didn't say no because you weren't listening.
Since you appear to be speaking with the knowledge of experience, and not based on what someone says happens in the movies, perhaps you can tell us how you went about it?
Die Hard 2. Hundreds of planes running out of fuel, helplessly circling the skies above Dulles airport and unable to land.
WOW!! wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I thought the thread was about "the most intense movie scenes", not the activities of the Harvey Weinstein's, Roman Polanski's (and now apparently Bertolucci) etc in the movie business.
Those "intense" movie scenes are fakes. Mostly GCI. The Last Tango rape scene was real. So, post an intense movie scene that was also real.
Since you appear to be taking us into the area of real life or cinema verite and not the fiction of the movies I would suggest any documentary footage depicting the Final Solution might fall into the category of "intense", and especially the executions of Jewish civilians by the einsatzgruppen.
Having read your posts, you need to get over the notion that how someone acts afterwards is indicative of whether a sexual assault has happened or not, it's a completely outdated and inaccurate way of looking at things. Much like if someone's brother dies then they go out to a bar that night and party hard, could be seen laughing, does that mean that their brother didn't die? No. It means people have very different and sometimes very contradictory ways of reacting to things. Some people go onto autopilot and carry on as normal.
So her carrying on with the film, or anything she did after, doesn't have any bearing on what happened days prior, they are separate events. A sexual assault happens, some hours pass - and whatever happens then doesn't erase that it happened. I'm not commenting specifically on this film as I haven't seen it, I'm commenting on the line of thinking in general. (THis can helps:
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/
).
I wish the thread hadn't gotten sidetracked, but it's sad seeing someone saying how someone acts afterwards is indicative of what could have taken place and not understanding why that might not always be so.
For me, the most intense film scenes are in How I Live Now when there is a scene towards the end involving a human body and a fox (I won't say more as I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it).
The first scene in France farm of Inglourious Basterds.
cpaiglesias wrote:
The first scene in France farm of Inglourious Basterds.
Tarantino is literally the Bekele of film makers
Titty wrote:
Having read your posts, you need to get over the notion that how someone acts afterwards is indicative of whether a sexual assault has happened or not, it's a completely outdated and inaccurate way of looking at things. Much like if someone's brother dies then they go out to a bar that night and party hard, could be seen laughing, does that mean that their brother didn't die? No. It means people have very different and sometimes very contradictory ways of reacting to things. Some people go onto autopilot and carry on as normal.
So her carrying on with the film, or anything she did after, doesn't have any bearing on what happened days prior, they are separate events. A sexual assault happens, some hours pass - and whatever happens then doesn't erase that it happened. I'm not commenting specifically on this film as I haven't seen it, I'm commenting on the line of thinking in general. (THis can helps:
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/).
I wish the thread hadn't gotten sidetracked, but it's sad seeing someone saying how someone acts afterwards is indicative of what could have taken place and not understanding why that might not always be so.
For me, the most intense film scenes are in How I Live Now when there is a scene towards the end involving a human body and a fox (I won't say more as I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it).
The thread has been hijacked, as you put it, by a variety of assertions being made about what constitutes sexual assault, based on a controversial example in a particular movie. That's some distance from the subject of the thread.
However, addressing a point made above about what should be read into a response (or the lack of it) to an alleged assault, what determines that a sexual act is in fact an assault is that it is non-consensual. How is that to be proven unless it is objected to, either at the time of the act or shortly after? A person's reactions to actions of this kind are seen by the courts (and this matter never made it to court) as evidence as to whether it was consensual or not. (Aren't we often told "no" means "no"? Where was the "no" in this case?) It would not be difficult to argue in a court of law that the actress's failure to object at any point to what was happening implies consent, even if she may have changed her mind about it later.
That scene in Aliens when Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) got angry at the end while saving the little girl. They should not have opened those eggs on her. Because she then opened a can of whoop a$$
Hello again, and thanks for responding to me earlier.
The problem with this logic is that it implies sexual assault is decided by the victim, which sounds reasonable until you consider what it means.
If I were to grab the ass of two random people at a bar, paying no attention to whether I thought they wanted me to, and one laughed, enjoyed it, and danced with me all night, and the other was horrified and gave me a black eye, under your logic, only one is an assault. But I wouldn't have known how they'd react when I did it!! So the only difference between me being a creepy offender and a suave dude is TOTALLY out of my control, under this logic - and that's not a great endpoint.
I would argue that just grabbing the ass of a random person is an assault, but even if we accept the above logic, it still does not paint Brando in a good light - he is the metaphorical ass-grabber in this scenario, which isn't a great way to be.
HM guy wrote:
Hello again, and thanks for responding to me earlier.
The problem with this logic is that it implies sexual assault is decided by the victim, which sounds reasonable until you consider what it means.
If I were to grab the ass of two random people at a bar, paying no attention to whether I thought they wanted me to, and one laughed, enjoyed it, and danced with me all night, and the other was horrified and gave me a black eye, under your logic, only one is an assault. But I wouldn't have known how they'd react when I did it!! So the only difference between me being a creepy offender and a suave dude is TOTALLY out of my control, under this logic - and that's not a great endpoint.
I would argue that just grabbing the ass of a random person is an assault, but even if we accept the above logic, it still does not paint Brando in a good light - he is the metaphorical ass-grabber in this scenario, which isn't a great way to be.
No, it isn't a great way to be - even if he was acting (in every sense) on the directions of Bertolucci - but you actually hit the nail on the head when you talk about the response to the act defining whether it is an assault. It isn't an assault in law unless it is objected to. Your girlfriend can tell you that, as she will permit from you what she won't permit from someone else - yet it is the same act (such as a pat on the rear). As is often the case, context is everything and the general rule nowadays is don't presume; ask first.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Since you appear to be taking us into the area of real life or cinema verite and not the fiction of the movies I would suggest any documentary footage depicting the Final Solution might fall into the category of "intense", and especially the executions of Jewish civilians by the einsatzgruppen.
Did you start this thread? Did someone grant you exclusive control over deciding what is intense, and what is not?
So, someone thinks a certain scene is intense because it was not acted out, and the one of the actors was not aware she would actually be raped during a filmed scene. You, on the other hand, have spent a lot of effort claiming the scene is not intense because she did not complain while being raped to stop the scene, therefore she was not raped regardless of her claim that she was raped, and the director's that she he and the lead actor intentionally raped her. Maybe if you did not challenge people who think a certain scene is intense by claiming it is not, you wouldn't spend so much of your time whining.
PS. I did a search on these forums, and it seems you have been called out quite often as a low-knowledge troll. I agree with these prior assessments.
The scene in Prefontaine where Prefontaine chocks and finishes in fourth place at the Olympics.
Hasn't anyone seen Sophie's Choice?
I mentioned it a few pages back. Haunting. She really locked in on the trauma.
"intense" wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Since you appear to be taking us into the area of real life or cinema verite and not the fiction of the movies I would suggest any documentary footage depicting the Final Solution might fall into the category of "intense", and especially the executions of Jewish civilians by the einsatzgruppen.
Did you start this thread? Did someone grant you exclusive control over deciding what is intense, and what is not?
So, someone thinks a certain scene is intense because it was not acted out, and the one of the actors was not aware she would actually be raped during a filmed scene. You, on the other hand, have spent a lot of effort claiming the scene is not intense because she did not complain while being raped to stop the scene, therefore she was not raped regardless of her claim that she was raped, and the director's that she he and the lead actor intentionally raped her. Maybe if you did not challenge people who think a certain scene is intense by claiming it is not, you wouldn't spend so much of your time whining.
PS. I did a search on these forums, and it seems you have been called out quite often as a low-knowledge troll. I agree with these prior assessments.
You are too dim to call anybody out - except perhaps your own ignorance. I did not question the response that some found the scene referred to as "intense" but their interpretation of what they claimed they were seeing. This is a distinction apparently beyond you.
Armstronglivs wrote:
The thread has been hijacked ... by a variety of assertions being made about what constitutes sexual assault ...
^ The person who hijacked this thread.
Hijacked? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The thread has been hijacked ... by a variety of assertions being made about what constitutes sexual assault ...
^ The person who hijacked this thread.
Then you've neither read nor understood it.
Haven't read the thread but wouldn't be surprised if any of these were mentioned;
Pulp Fiction:
'Do they speak English in 'what'?'
Glengarry Glenross:
'I made $900 thousand dollars last year, THAT's my name'