Doptastic wrote:
I didn’t think she was doping till this performance. It’s too good. After that 10k? After two rounds?
Her performance is strikingly similar to Wang Junxias 1993 performances . If I’m not mistaken she ran a 3:51 following a world record 10000m. With the depth of today’s race maybe the world is finally catching up to where the Chinese were in 1993
Honestly would it be possible for her to run in the 800m up to the 10k? She could win gold in all four events.
She is a machine......wish she ran for the US tho lol
Reading these threads going back and forth of real performance vs. artificial performance. We’ll never know. Given the number of performances throughout these last (2) weeks, it appears more systematic that there is general improvement for these record setting middle distance performances.
What if the two prevailing factors for the improvement are weather and overall air quality. The current temperature in Doha is 87F, 43% humidity. Runners are near the Persian Gulf and it’s fair to say air pollution is much less (lower population density) than North America or Europe. We shouldn’t underestimate this as a contributing factor.
Every time I take a business trip to the west coast (LA or San Jose) and attempt a speed workout compared to my current residence (Texas), my times have really suffered in spite of the cooler temperatures. I always thought it was a combination of air quality and fatigue from travel. (Sorry west coast residents !!!)
In the case of the world championships, these athletes are getting more oxygen than normal (US / Europe) and the conditions, a little warm, may still be conducive to faster times with lower humidity.
Just a thought to explain all of this.
my bad her name is Hassan
Dirty.... no doubt in my mind
Conditions for racing in Los Angeles are far, far better than in Texas, so let's put that to rest. What Hassan did here was, like Naser in that women's 400m final (48.14), literally incredible. I'm not as worried about the times of the others just because they had an absolutely amazing pacemaker who allowed them to take off at a moderate pace and just gradually upped the pace every lap so that they got to maximize by drafting the entire way, except for the 2nd place when Hassan took off the last lap. If Hassan was a 3:56 runner and now she dropped five seconds on her own, after two heats and a 10000m race, I just cannot imagine that she is clean because that puts her squarely in Chinese and Eastern European doping territory and she might very well have been able to beat Genzebe Dibaba's wr of 3:50 fresh and with a pacer. In fact, with a male pacesetter going the whole way, I am sure she could get into the high 3:40s (which wouldn't count). It's just nonsense.
bladerunner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
I'm starting to believe the WWF is more real than athletics.
Don't watch. Morons like yourself will never be satisfied unless the results are mediocre. This is only sport I'm aware where great results are spat on, not celebrated. Do us a favor and find something else to watch.
Exactly this ^^^^^
Lmao. Y'all can't just accept fast times. Whether she is or isn't doping. They are probably all doping or all not doping. I lean towards not doping. If your reasoning that your person is clean only because they couldn't run 1-5 seconds faster than a competitor does not make them clean
El Keniano wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Moved to Europe as a teen, becomes decent national level runner, moves to the USA under dirty Al, spends entire winters in Africa, transformed into a GOAT in her mid-twenties.
The female version of Mo.
Mo doesn’t have the times.
Right - Sifan is the next Paula.
She rocked it today over 1500m.
Sifan wasn't a "decent national runner" in the Netherlands. If you followed running even a little during that time you'd have known she was top 5 in the world (with bad coaching).
Hassan said on Dutch TV: she had a very hard week, she is clean, she runs consistently in the top since 2014. About her strategy from the front: she felt angry about all the allegations and wanted to answer by showing what she was worth. She knew she would win at 250m to go but went too hard and struggled the last 50m.
About her future: first relax and enjoy the medals, then she will think about it.
I was glad she finally dared to race today. Her old strategy was maybe good for winning medals, but not for superfast times. Usually Hassan uses a lot of extra energy in lane 2 and in closing gaps, like Muir did today. Maybe we saw her true potential.
VroomVroom wrote:
Honestly would it be possible for her to run in the 800m up to the 10k? She could win gold in all four events.
She is a machine......wish she ran for the US tho lol
The ARMY is looking for a few good women.
VroomVroom wrote:
bladerunner wrote:
Don't watch. Morons like yourself will never be satisfied unless the results are mediocre. This is only sport I'm aware where great results are spat on, not celebrated. Do us a favor and find something else to watch.
Exactly this ^^^^^
Watch MLB and their oversized golf balls going over the fence.
Just watched the race and now I wish that I hadn't. How disheartening.
I know that its tough to speculate who is doping and who is not, but never has it been so obvious. She took the lead from the get-go. Her form was all over the place--arent NOPers supposed to be known for their good form? She kept looking behind her. And then at 250 to go she unleashes this kick?? More like a full on sprint blowing everyone away. She knew she had that in her all along. She knew no one was coming with her.
The level of arrogance she has to beat the best women in the world in the 10K but still have the 1500 chops and deadly kick to do what she did. It's just ridiculous. It is not an achievement. It's an insult to al the women who train their asses off the right way.
Side note, unreal level of sportsmanship of Shelby Houlihan to shake Sifan's hand at the end of that farce. I would have just walked away. Shelby had a great day but she should have a medal.
anybody catch the Kenyan broadcast?
Evidently it was reported that Hassan turned to Kipyegon early in the race and said, "I'm too juice to lose"
weird
If a MAN ran 3:59 at the end of a 10k would you be surprised if he could run a 3:51 flat 1500?
Les wrote:
If a MAN ran 3:59 at the end of a 10k would you be surprised if he could run a 3:51 flat 1500?
Not at all. I would also not be surprised to see a 14:16 man run 3:51.
Platonic wrote:
Do people believe that she's clean?
C'mon...
You're not that dumb.
Hassan's breakdown
2019 3:51.95 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019
2018 3:57.41 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 22 JUL 2018
2017 3:56.14 Blankers-Koen Stadion, Hengelo (NED) 11 JUN 2017
2016 3:57.13 Paris (FRA) 27 AUG 2016
2015 3:56.05 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015
2014 3:57.00 Paris (FRA) 05 JUL 2014
2013 4:03.73 Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 04 JUL 2013
2012 4:08.24 Bottrop (GER) 06 JUL 2012
That 3:52 was not that out of line:
Many in that race set huge PRs and National records
The Canadian, Stafford, ran 4:06 last year and went 3:56.12 - breaking the 35 + yr old Canadian record this year by 4.5 seconds. That was a 10 second improvement. She trained like a professional this year for the first time and this was a very well paced race for a fast time. If you say every top performance = someone cheating, you are wrong.