Bruce Robbins wrote:
Have you tried WWE wrestling? Should be enough steroids there to keep you excited.
But no more than track.
Bruce Robbins wrote:
Have you tried WWE wrestling? Should be enough steroids there to keep you excited.
But no more than track.
arte wrote:
When it comes to comparing progress, Naser 400m PB development from age 16 to 21 courtesy of the IAAF:
52.74
51.39
50.88
49.88
49.08
48.14
Seems extremely even to me. She also made the semifinals aged 18 and won a WC silver at 19, so even more impressive than Miller-Uibo.
There's other reasons to suspect Naser (coach, other athletes!) but the child prodigy argument is the one reason in her favour. OTOH Marion Jones was a prodigy at 15, so an early breakthrough really is no reason to believe that either of the two 48 second runners from yesterday are clean.
The Marion Jones comparison is apt. She's obviously physically talented and she has a nice running style.
Makes it all the more depressing that we'll never find out what these talents could have done without working with drug coaches etc.
Called this. Uibo chose the wrong race. She had zero competition in he 200m and knew Naser was going to give her a tough time in the 400.
Damn how long has Naser had the sleeve? I don't remember that smh.
Love it. Naser gets no love. After that run she had to be the favorite for Olympic gold. Wish she ran another event tho besides the mixed relay.
Uibo chokes as usually. Stick to the 200m cause Naser owns the 400!!!!
Sweet Nell Fenwick wrote:
I got the sense that Miller-Uibo went down the backstretch not even considering the possibility that somebody on the inside might be so fast as to make up the stagger and by the time she realized that had in fact happened, it was too late.
Agreed. She seemed to be watching Francis to her right, and then determined to relax so she wouldn't have a late collapse like 2017.
Once she finally looked left and sensed what was going on with Naser, you could sense the shock and the immediate accelerated pace. But it was too late.
I don't think Naser will ever eclipse that time. Everything fell together perfectly for her, including the condition of this track. I agree with another poster that NBC has been lapse in not detailing this track. There should have been a special feature.
Can't believe there's even a discussion here.
This is comedy gold. Another classic but there are still defenders.
dunes runner wrote:
Everyone thought that Koch's and Kratochvilova's performances were so out there, when in reality most women's 400m times in recent years have not been up to a reasonable standard - with a few good exceptions of course. In the 48's should be a rather common top time at World and Olympic Championships.
Absolutely. The women's 400 has been miserable recently, almost an insult. Miller-Uibo deserves an immense amount of credit for finally re-establishing a competency level. Once that happened it was guaranteed to pull others alongside, especially the younger crowd who choose that event knowing they can no longer dawdle around in 50 seconds.
From the outset of this meet the commentators were referencing the quick times in women's 400 qualifying. That should have been a tip off toward the final.
The second lap of the women's 800 has also been horribly weak recently. That is destined to change also. The winner this time should have been disqualified in the semifinal but I didn't mind the reprieve so much because likewise she was demonstrating to young athletes in that event that you've got to reach the front and keep going.
she is that...and more wrote:
Miller Uibo is beautifully gorgeous! She is hot AF.
.....what? Lmao. Maybe you should be watching the men's 400m then.
Of course a great race is followed by the b!tch boys screaming steroids. Get over it.
Give uibo some credit for picking the harder race of the two and the race with the most competition. She wouldn't have been touched in the two hundred. I'd like to see her run a 100
Naser is just phenomenal. Best stride and form of any of the finalist. She finally went for it with 200m to go and she caught Uibo off guard.
After Norman choked a big one I'm glad to see Naser upset Uibo. Now as long as Kerley, Sydney, and Hassan win I'll be happy.
Sydney should run the open four. I think she could get a bronze behind the top two with some time.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
dunes runner wrote:
Everyone thought that Koch's and Kratochvilova's performances were so out there, when in reality most women's 400m times in recent years have not been up to a reasonable standard - with a few good exceptions of course. In the 48's should be a rather common top time at World and Olympic Championships.
Absolutely. The women's 400 has been miserable recently, almost an insult. Miller-Uibo deserves an immense amount of credit for finally re-establishing a competency level. Once that happened it was guaranteed to pull others alongside, especially the younger crowd who choose that event knowing they can no longer dawdle around in 50 seconds.
From the outset of this meet the commentators were referencing the quick times in women's 400 qualifying. That should have been a tip off toward the final.
The second lap of the women's 800 has also been horribly weak recently. That is destined to change also. The winner this time should have been disqualified in the semifinal but I didn't mind the reprieve so much because likewise she was demonstrating to young athletes in that event that you've got to reach the front and keep going.
Your base for comparing what you think women should be capable of have been doped performances.
BigBensGhost wrote:
How untouchable do you have to feel to be using Stanzolol in 2019!!
This is a very ignorant statement, in 2019, Stanozol is still the most used drug by dopers simply because it is cheap and widely available, and most important it has a relatively low half-life, meaning that it is generally one of the last drug to be stopped in a doping cycle. That is why there is a gazillion of wrestlers and weightlifters that has been popped for it in olympic retests of 2008 and 2012, detection threshold have improved meaning that its traces or metabolites can be discovered more easily.
jeff tallon wrote:
shes on steroids.her body shape,and round capped shoulders,and raised traps muscles tells me she is.plus shes growing an adams apple,has acne on her body and her jaw is widening.her face is just starting to get the sunken hardened look.miller-uibo is also on a drug programme.too lean for the muscularity she has,her shoulders are too wide,and she has that classic v shape of a roid user,as well as shiny skin,and a wide squat jaw.an impossible look for a woman to achieve naturally,plus shes getting a 5 oclock shadow.both women are on higher doses of drugs than marita koch was,and miller-uibo is more muscular than koch.marita never looked anything like shaunae,despite all the weight training she did.
Naser is almost certainly doped, you can use the fact that she used to be trained with a shady bulgarian coach and that several athletes training under him got caught, however neither her progression nor her physical appearance can be held against her.
Her progression is very regular, no stagnation, and physically there 's no red flag, you might confusing her with her countrywoman (nigerian turned Barhaini too), Kemi Adekoya, who (which?) looks like a beast, is twice Naser'size but only half as fast.
Looking at her instagram, she is at least as feminine than S. McLaughlin (they are around the same age), the manliest females do not look like that even when dolled up to the max
BigBensGhost wrote:
How untouchable do you have to feel to be using Stanzolol in 2019!!
This is a very ignorant statement, in 2019, Stanozol is still the most used drug by dopers simply because it is cheap and widely available, and most important it has a relatively low half-life, meaning that it is generally one of the last drug to be stopped in a doping cycle. That is why there is a gazillion of wrestlers and weightlifters that has been popped for it in olympic retests of 2008 and 2012, detection threshold have improved meaning that its traces or metabolites can be discovered more easily.
jeff tallon wrote:
shes on steroids.her body shape,and round capped shoulders,and raised traps muscles tells me she is.plus shes growing an adams apple,has acne on her body and her jaw is widening.her face is just starting to get the sunken hardened look.miller-uibo is also on a drug programme.too lean for the muscularity she has,her shoulders are too wide,and she has that classic v shape of a roid user,as well as shiny skin,and a wide squat jaw.an impossible look for a woman to achieve naturally,plus shes getting a 5 oclock shadow.both women are on higher doses of drugs than marita koch was,and miller-uibo is more muscular than koch.marita never looked anything like shaunae,despite all the weight training she did.
Naser is almost certainly doped, you can use the fact that she used to be trained with a shady bulgarian coach and that several athletes training under him got caught, however neither her progression nor her physical appearance can be held against her.
Her progression is very regular, no stagnation, and physically there 's no red flag, you might confusing her with her countrywoman (nigerian turned Barhaini too), Kemi Adekoya, who (which?) looks like a beast, is twice Naser'size but only half as fast.
Looking at her instagram, she is at least as feminine than S. McLaughlin (they are around the same age), the manliest females do not look like that even when dolled up to the max :
www.instagram.com/yes_iam_salwa/Question is why is everybody raving about McLaughlin but are quicker to accuse Naser of doping ? Looking at age -time comparison, she is certainly not less supicious...
Question is why is everybody raving about McLaughlin but are quicker to accuse Naser of doping ? Looking at age -time comparison, she is certainly not more talented and not less suspicious
Actually the top 2 times ahead of Naser by Koch and Krat------- were probably tainted. At that time the eastern bloc countries were probably doping . I would throw the top 2 out and Naser is the WR holder.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Absolutely. The women's 400 has been miserable recently, almost an insult. Miller-Uibo deserves an immense amount of credit for finally re-establishing a competency level. Once that happened it was guaranteed to pull others alongside, especially the younger crowd who choose that event knowing they can no longer dawdle around in 50 seconds.
From the outset of this meet the commentators were referencing the quick times in women's 400 qualifying. That should have been a tip off toward the final.
The second lap of the women's 800 has also been horribly weak recently. That is destined to change also. The winner this time should have been disqualified in the semifinal but I didn't mind the reprieve so much because likewise she was demonstrating to young athletes in that event that you've got to reach the front and keep going.
Your base for comparing what you think women should be capable of have been doped performances.
Don't we expect Sydney to be in the 48 range within the next few years.
I agree, times have been relatively 'weak' in recent years.
Should it be so surprising that a 22 second 200m runner can run 2 x 24 seconds?
Paguatejoe wrote:
Actually the top 2 times ahead of Naser by Koch and Krat------- were probably tainted. At that time the eastern bloc countries were probably doping . I would throw the top 2 out and Naser is the WR holder.
You don't say.
arte wrote:
EuroVisionary wrote:
She was a child prodigy who made her first WC final aged 19 and has progressed evenly as a senior.
Naser's also a child prodigy, but her jumps in progress have been a bit too mighty for me.
When it comes to comparing progress, Naser 400m PB development from age 16 to 21 courtesy of the IAAF:
52.74
51.39
50.88
49.88
49.08
48.14
Seems extremely even to me. .
Arithmetically it is even; in terms of human performance, 49.08 to 48.14 is like jumping off a cliff. It took Koch many years, on heavy drug administration, to accomplish the same in her mid-20s.
Naser ran within half a second of what is widely acknowledged to be a doped world record and at the finish showed no sign of the toll such an extraordinary effort should have had on her in this gruelling event. In every sense, we haven't seen a performance like it in the women's 400m since Kratochvilova and Koch over 30 years ago.
Miller-Uibo is much better this year than when she so narrowly beat Felix at Rio - her 48.37 at Doha wouldn't have been on the cards for the athlete we saw in 2016.
My pick is that in Doha an almost certain doper beat a possible doper.
That metal she sports on her lip and tongue is just hideous.
Not far behind is the neon colored hair sported by other athletes.
90F with humidity of 80% makes for very fast conditions due to the reduced air density. It's not shocking to see some exceptionally fast times. Wouldn't be surprised to see a WR in the 400h from Dalilah or Sydney too.
Naser's stride reminds me of Flojo's.
rojo wrote:
What a great race. I was shocked at the US commentating on the race. I was all for playing up Miller-Uibo. And while the mentioned Naser, they failed to hype her up enough failed to mention one key thing - SHE'S UNDEFEATED ON THE YEAR at 400. How do you not mention that?
A rare mistake by Ato Boldon.
Anyway, fantastic race.
Right before the gun went off, I almost put $100 on Miller-Uibo but thought to myself the pay out wasn't high enough. I'm not betting against an undefeated woman when the profit was only going to be $20.
Why is this being called an upset, Naser's year and history would make her the favorite, she has a proven track record in the 400, silver medal last time around.
Too many listen to the TV hype and don't look at the stats or truth of the sport or athletes.
dunes runner wrote:
izhorian wrote:
What a mindblowing run! Koch's 47.60 suddenly doesn't feel so mystical.
dunes runner wrote:
Everyone thought that Koch's and Kratochvilova's performances were so out there, when in reality most women's 400m times in recent years have not been up to a reasonable standard - with a few good exceptions of course. In the 48's should be a rather common top time at World and Olympic Championships.
It's rather ironic, that people who accuse performances of being drug related, are in fact seriously damaging their own mentalities.
Armstronglivs wrote:
No one has been near those E German times for years. Like Flojo's records. There's good reason for that. Naser's run reminds me of Dibaba taking out a doped Chinese 1500 record.
As expected, it didn't take long for someone to prove my point!
You are weak.
I’ll say it wrote:
That metal she sports on her lip and tongue is just hideous.
Not far behind is the neon colored hair sported by other athletes.
Naser's pierced tongue and pierced lip nudge me to think she is more likely to have doped. Have I gone too far with my thinking? That combined with Ramzi's history with Bahrain make me hesitant to applaud her.