HS jr Nico Young runs 8:47 at Cali state meet, destroys NXN champ Liam Anderson by 6 seconds

ric flair wooooooooo wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Can you cite some actual results that support your belief in the significant of drafting?

kipchoge at nike’s sub 2 marathon attempt

That level of drafting is not possible in an actual race.

Facts are worthless wrote:

Strangio already won the 3200 last year as a Sophmore as well as D1 XC State. He needed a new challenge so took on the double and couldn't quite do it. Young got the win and he deserved it. Went out hard from the start since he was racing those that were doubling back.

I don't believe doubled for a new challenge. He wasn't going to beat Young in any scenario so it made sense to run in a race he had a chance to win. There are no heats for the 3200 so there was no reason not to run both.

Why didn't Young run the 1600?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Facts are worthless wrote:

Strangio already won the 3200 last year as a Sophmore as well as D1 XC State. He needed a new challenge so took on the double and couldn't quite do it. Young got the win and he deserved it. Went out hard from the start since he was racing those that were doubling back.

I don't believe doubled for a new challenge. He wasn't going to beat Young in any scenario so it made sense to run in a race he had a chance to win. There are no heats for the 3200 so there was no reason not to run both.

Easy Nico's Dad. We don't know the results of what would happen in a State meet if they faced each other fresh in a 3200. Oh no wait we do it's called 2018.

Facts are worthless wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I don't believe doubled for a new challenge. He wasn't going to beat Young in any scenario so it made sense to run in a race he had a chance to win. There are no heats for the 3200 so there was no reason not to run both.

Easy Nico's Dad. We don't know the results of what would happen in. a State meet if they faced each other fresh in a 3200. Oh no wait we do it's called 2018.

Strangio was coming off an injury, but he ran about 9:00 at Arcadia. It would have been pretty optimistic for Strangio to think he could win the 3200 at state. Having said that, if Strangio could get through a season healthy, I would like his chances against anyone.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Facts are worthless wrote:

Easy Nico's Dad. We don't know the results of what would happen in. a State meet if they faced each other fresh in a 3200. Oh no wait we do it's called 2018.

Strangio was coming off an injury, but he ran about 9:00 at Arcadia. It would have been pretty optimistic for Strangio to think he could win the 3200 at state. Having said that, if Strangio could get through a season healthy, I would like his chances against anyone.

And he ran a PR 2 weeks before that. Strangio always has breaks in his season. Not sure they are really "injuries" as much as load management for the long haul. You won't see him really running league meets or meets that don't matter much because his season goes longer then most of the rest of his team.

Facts are worthless wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Strangio was coming off an injury, but he ran about 9:00 at Arcadia. It would have been pretty optimistic for Strangio to think he could win the 3200 at state. Having said that, if Strangio could get through a season healthy, I would like his chances against anyone.

And he ran a PR 2 weeks before that. Strangio always has breaks in his season. Not sure they are really "injuries" as much as load management for the long haul. You won't see him really running league meets or meets that don't matter much because his season goes longer then most of the rest of his team.

Nico Young was the best at the time during the 3200 at CIF State. Maybe doubling impacted others, maybe injuries slowed some, but at that time, he was clearly the best.

It's fun to compare who has been more impressive in the past and who will be better in the future. Many times people think rates of improvement are linear and that if someone is better today, they will be better tomorrow. Just look at how much Nico Young improved from last year to this year. Matt Strangio looked amazing at State last year (especially on the last lap). Who would have thought Young would have dominated Strangio like he did based on last year?

The future looks bright for a ton of kids and there will probably be a "Nico Young" breaking on to the scene next year that nobody is expecting. Also, maybe Young has a set back next year like Strangio did this year. It is going to be an exciting 2020 for sure!

Then you probably shouldn't say things like "he wouldn't beat him in any scenario" if it isn't true. Young won it this time and he earned it. He out raced them when it counted. But if they all lined up 10 times I don't think he would win all 10.

This crop of juniors is about as good as it gets.

Nico Young - 3:48 1500, 8:40 3200, 4th as a junior at NXN, beat the NXN champ handily at CIF

Cole Sprout - 4:06i full mile, 8:40 3200, 3rd as a junior at NXN, all time sophomore record for 2-miles

Easton Allred - not sure what happened to the kid as it doesn't look like he raced this season, but 5th at NXN, only a second back from young. If he's healthy we've got a Webb/Ritz/Hall type trio up top..

Connor Ohlson - don't know much about him, but 10th at NXN

Cruz Culpepper - not sure what happened to him during post-season cross, but clearly talented enough to run with the big boys if he's healthy, 4:09i full mile, 1:52, 14:51, consistently beat a few guys in the T15 at NXN

Carter Solomon - 4th at FL

Graydon Morris - 3rd at FL

Thomas Boyden - 4:11/8:57, 13th at FL

Colin Peattie - sophomore, 4:09 for 2nd in 1600 at CA CIF

Should be fun! Number of up and coming underclassmen, too.

Facts are worthless wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I don't believe doubled for a new challenge. He wasn't going to beat Young in any scenario so it made sense to run in a race he had a chance to win. There are no heats for the 3200 so there was no reason not to run both.

Easy Nico's Dad. We don't know the results of what would happen in a State meet if they faced each other fresh in a 3200. Oh no wait we do it's called 2018.

You’re right we do know who would win fresh. It’s called Arcadia. 8:40 to 9:00.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

ric flair wooooooooo wrote:

kipchoge at nike’s sub 2 marathon attempt

That level of drafting is not possible in an actual race.

Can you cite some actual results that support your belief that drafting doesn't matter?

Nico Young in the man and showed up at Arcadia and the California State Championships. Nothing more, nothing less to say about it.

FrenchDawg, don't you have some kind of connection to Loyola? Care to comment on the Frank Meza thread?

Facts are worthless wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Strangio was coming off an injury, but he ran about 9:00 at Arcadia. It would have been pretty optimistic for Strangio to think he could win the 3200 at state. Having said that, if Strangio could get through a season healthy, I would like his chances against anyone.

And he ran a PR 2 weeks before that. Strangio always has breaks in his season. Not sure they are really "injuries" as much as load management for the long haul. You won't see him really running league meets or meets that don't matter much because his season goes longer then most of the rest of his team.

No, there is a link to a local t.v. station earlier in the thread where it was mentioned he lost a month to an injury. "Load management for the long haul" is about trucks and not distance running. If healthy, Strangio would have wanted to be at the top his game for Arcadia.

I can't wait to watch Nico Young and Cole Sprout to kill cross country. Nico and Cole will have a heck of a battle when they race.

They are the two to watch for sure.

Hal Harkness wrote:

When the Cross Country State Championship Meet was approved by the State Federated Council in October, 1986, one of the stipulations was that it be held on Thanksgiving Weekend so there would be no lose of school time to participate.

We will be in the 33rd edition of the meet on the same weekend on November 30. Enough said.

Problem is those old timers in the sport don’t like change, even for the better. A lot has changed since 1996 Hal. Kids miss a half day of school all the time. A few kids from those schools is hardly an issue. Kids miss more school for golf than XC.

And my problem is the “enough said.” It’s a horrible weekend. And it won’t change because of people like you. I don’t know one coach that likes it on that weekend.

Then you don't know many coaches. Most love it that weekend!

NXN FAN 101 wrote:

I can't wait to watch Nico Young and Cole Sprout to kill cross country. Nico and Cole will have a heck of a battle when they race.

They are the two to watch for sure.

If Strangio can stay healthy, there will be three to watch.

What do I have to do with the State Cross Country meet being held on Thanksgiving weekend? I only recited to history of the meet's approval by the CIF Federated Council way back in October, 1986.