Hagridore wrote:
The Stanford guy that has disappointed me has been Alex Ostberg. I really liked him in HS and he has been until now mostly just a pack guy for Stanford. I was glad to see Alex rocking the AA status at this meet. I believed in the kid from CT in HS and now he has vindicated me.
He was 16th in XC last year so hes had past success for Stanford on the course. His track career on the other hand...
Les wrote:
The difference being Rupp went on to win two global medals and run 3:50, 12:58 and 26:44. Fisher's career might end after college, considering how much emphasis he put on his studies.
The difference is Rupp, after college, began taking gray area drugs and when combined with intravenous injection over a period of time he had a stellar run at competing internationally with outright drug cheats. Remember that glorious period when he ran sub 27, sub 13, 3:50, 3:34, that was aided by gray area drugs.
who says Rupp never won NC's in X-C?
Pump the breaks wrote:
You are completely one dimensional. Grant Fisher is going to have more life options than any of the posters in this thread. He was a sub-4 high school miler, a dominant competitor in the NCAA and will have an electrical engineering degree from Stanford.
What more could you have ever asked for in a kid from Michigan?
Was Chris Lukezic also a disappointment?
The "breaks"? What more could you have asked for "in a kid from Michigan"? What is that supposed to mean exactly?
This thread is super stupid.
Rupp ran 27:33 in 2007 at age 21y 3m. At the time, it made him the #7 American all time.
That's the track event in which he went on to medal at the Olympics and set an American record. And it foretold his marathon ability, where he would also medal.
Fisher doesn't have anything like that on his resume at the same age. Of course, there's hope for improvement but there is much less of a signal that he is going to be world elite in any event.
As a related point, Fisher has a somewhat funky, bouncy stride, whereas Rupp always had classic form. Are there runners with funky strides who make it work at the super elite level? Yes, but it's not a great bet in the case of any one individual.
It's a merciless sport.
rojo wrote:
I love the thread title as it got me to read it.
Here's one thing to remember.
Galen Rupp accomplished everything in college as a 5th year guy.
He won zero NCAA titles at Fisher's age.
Rupp vs. Fisher before age 22
NCAA titles. Fisher 1 . Rupp 0.
PR at mile: Fisher 3:59. Rupp 4:01.
PR at 3k: Fisher 7:48. Rupp 7:49
PR at 5k: Fisher 13:30. Rupp 13:30.
I thought this thread was stupid until I read that he's no better than Rupp at this point -- a perennial runner-up to Solinsky in college and Farah in the pros -- who has still never managed to win a gold medal at any distance.
I am never disappointed with Foster Grant season nglasses.
Go get yourself some thick black frames, with the lens so dark they won’t even know your name,
Bump
random schmuck wrote:
Is Grant Fisher Jewish? He has that nice Jewish boy look
Reported
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He's alright. 5th non-American-born in the Olympics.
random schmuck wrote:
Is Grant Fisher Jewish? He has that nice Jewish boy look
Doubtful. Go to 2:13…
https://youtu.be/psRuk1VmtBIbump :)
zxcvzxcv wrote:
Fisher can run a lot faster than 13:30 this year in college and I expect him to run 13:15 or better at Stanford in the spring, if he is healthy. He should also break 3:40 in the 1500m by a good bit (I predict 3:35-36). The guy who beat him by 1/2 second (Morgan McDonald) ran 13:15 or so in very hot weather quite some time ago and is better than that now. The lack of fast outdoor races for our collegians (because they don't race enough with pros and pacers) suggests that they are not nearly as fast as they actually are.
douglas burke wrote:
The Collegians rarely get into races where they can run a really fast time, I expect a collegian with Fishers credentials to get in the 13:15-13:20 range within 2 years out of college and eventually get into a race where everything goes right, pacers, weather etc. and he runs about a 13:05
As it turns out, Fisher took a good deal longer before he broke through. Even in 2019, his 5000m pr was just 13:29. He had some injury problems in his first training camp with Bowerman and took a long time before adapting, as he said. It was not until 2020 that he ran 13:11/7:39.99/3:36. Then in 2021, he got even better with an 8:11 2M/13:02/27:11 and 5th at the Olympic 10k, as well as 8th in the 5000m. Still, this is on another level. 12:53 indoors with a sub-4 close that came close to his mile pr.
wuldnt it bee nyze wrote:
Rupp ran 27:33 in 2007 at age 21y 3m. At the time, it made him the #7 American all time.
That's the track event in which he went on to medal at the Olympics and set an American record. And it foretold his marathon ability, where he would also medal.
Fisher doesn't have anything like that on his resume at the same age. Of course, there's hope for improvement but there is much less of a signal that he is going to be world elite in any event.
As a related point, Fisher has a somewhat funky, bouncy stride, whereas Rupp always had classic form. Are there runners with funky strides who make it work at the super elite level? Yes, but it's not a great bet in the case of any one individual.
It's a merciless sport.
“Yeah”
The Dirty Duck wrote:
rojo wrote:
I love the thread title as it got me to read it.
Here's one thing to remember.
Galen Rupp accomplished everything in college as a 5th year guy.
He won zero NCAA titles at Fisher's age.
Rupp vs. Fisher before age 22
NCAA titles. Fisher 1 . Rupp 0.
PR at mile: Fisher 3:59. Rupp 4:01.
PR at 3k: Fisher 7:48. Rupp 7:49
PR at 5k: Fisher 13:30. Rupp 13:30.
I thought this thread was stupid until I read that he's no better than Rupp at this point -- a perennial runner-up to Solinsky in college and Farah in the pros -- who has still never managed to win a gold medal at any distance.
Well well folks.
like a good wine is Mr. Grant Fisher
Really what this says is that his low-mileage coach at Stanford, who isn't there anymore, didn't know what the hell he was doing.
Growbatina wrote:
Really what this says is that his low-mileage coach at Stanford, who isn't there anymore, didn't know what the hell he was doing.
U b nuts.
That would be the same coach who aided, by not drilling into the ground; Elise Cranny, Shaun McGorty, and Grant Fisher. Just maybe Milt recognized their talent, was able to still get NCAA championships out of them without being greedy like so many other NCAA coaches chasing bonuses and using talented athletes to the max to gain future recruits instead of thinking longevity.
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