So when a running store buys shoes off a company such as Asics at wholesale Asics do not make any money off this?
When a running store offers you goods at wholesale it can be considered sponsorship. When a shoe company offers you goods at wholesale they are helping you out but are still malking money off the deal. Both of these situations exist especially with smaller companys.
Times have changed baby,
The marathon now has most of the money, and at times if there is any, all the glory.
There is no serious to the bone 10k guy that runs 28:50 that can run 2:20 on his sunday run, not in the US at least. It has been tried by several people that I know have thought that and they failed to even get close to breaking that time.
It seems more in a way that the people that run the 1500/5k/10k in the US are tri like. They can't step up to the big event and just want to be one of the top crappy runners in a weakass college open meet, or some race with mostly US runners in it. The marathons have the world class comp at several of them all across the country and guess what, anyone can race with the best on that day.
It sucks but track is going out, better jump on the road race/marathon wagon.
As for tri's, I always wanted to jump in one after a little bit of training and see how good the majority of these guys really were. It seems like there are a few people that I know of that have just gotten sponsered for all their gear and they really do not seem like they were that good of athletes, expecially not in running.
Agreed, the outfits are goofy, I would wear a padded running short under some half tights that would come off right out of the water.
There is just too much money to invest but maybe if I get some more money and I get hurt running another time or two and I will take on the tri guys and than the world.
what means more to me, when I was a NCAA D1 Track and XC All America or a USA Triathlon All American.
Hmmm, let me ponder that question for a while. Sadly, I know people who treat that USAT AA designation as a very lofty achievement.
The subject of prize money, provides further proof that the top triathletes are not just good athletes. When Ironman(s), Lifetime Fitness, ITU World Cups, Alcatraz, Mrs. T's, and other tri's provide prize purses that exceed most track and road races, naturally talented athletes will try their hand at these events to win some cash. Money draws competition!
I admit that some marathons and European track meets may have larger purses, but I am comparing top tri's to the Peachtree's and US track meets. The prize money in triathlons provides more incentive for top athletes and increases the level of competition. You may argue about their funny clothes and attitude, but you can't argue about their ability to compete and make some bank.
My point also goes for other professional sports that draw from the talent pool. Money will attracts the best athletes.
what IS a triathlon anyway? never heard of it.
the reason for fear of triathletes is the fear of being beaten by them in running events. it mus feel damn bad to lose to someone that excels in 3 sports while u concentrate purely on running , yet losing out to him...
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I don't know where these tri-sexuals live, but I would get my ass beaten in any bar in my town if I showed up for a beer after running through town in my bananna-hammock and man-siere (or "bro", if you will). Really, I am not kidding. And I don't live in the inner city or anything, but I just live somewhere where normal guys don't put up with that crap.
But short shorts and singlets are cool shit, right? "Normal guys" are down with that? Ha.
I'm not a triathlete -- I haven't even been on a bike of any kind for years, but I think it's funny to see the tri-bashing.
Yes, there are yuppies and posers in triathlon. But there sure as hell are in running, too (the existence of Runner's World is proof of this). Half of the road races I go to, there are people babbling away about their nine pairs of shoes or some ridiculous alternative therapie$ for the injury that is preventing them from breaking 45:00 for 10k. When I started, that made me think this was not the sport for me, but obviously that's not what running is all about.
A few bad yuppie apples haven't ruined running (yet). It's the same with triathlon, I'm sure. Like it or not, we have more in commo with them than almost any other sport.
The runners here bash other runners, including each other, constantly and without mercy. That's the baseline standard, and naturally all others -- including ultrarunners and triathletes as well as women of all kinds, fat people, football players, soccer moms, homosexuals, even God -- are treated with proportionally less respect (in cases where this is even possible).
The treatment of triathletes not a special form of hate, it's merely an extension of the general Letsrun hate, which in turn is an extremely common online phenomenon (see other thread).
OK, I'll agree that general hate for everything factors into this, but I think it's clear that tri-hate is above and beyond that. Just look at any thread mentioning triathlon. Look at THIS thread!
Nobody's going off on how the NAIA stinks, or how XC skiers are fags, not to this extent.
Cam Widoff ran a 34 something at Bolder Boulder which put him in the first 50 and he was in winter clothing and doing it as a training run.
Yah I definitely disagree. Times have change a bit, yes. The marathon is a LITTLE better than it was in the 90's with guys like Meb and Culpepper and Shay around. And a few others (and as i admitted, the triathlons have a few legit guys too). But cmon. Go review the Trials qualifiers list for the 10k and then the one for the marathon. The 10kers (as a whole) are at another, higher level. There are seriously 30 minute 10kers that are trials level marathoners, and 32 minute guys who can break 2:30. I find it very hard to believe that any sub 29 guy can't go 2:22, if there is any written proof of a guy like that who had a legit effort and couldn't then prove me wrong for sure.
If anything, the marathon is coming back a bit because people noticed how easy it was. Any decent d1 guy and any good d2/d3 guys in college can do it. Meb saw that he could medal in Athens whereas the 10k woulda been pretty impossible. Tergat, Haile, etc etc.. also look at the ages of US marathon qualifiers, very few do it in their prime.
Racerz wrote:
the reason for fear of triathletes is the fear of being beaten by them in running events. it mus feel damn bad to lose to someone that excels in 3 sports while u concentrate purely on running , yet losing out to him...
No, it just means that the tri-putz is running way below what he should be, no shame in losing to that because those people know that he shouldn't be anywhere near them in a race, anyway. Some guy running "34 in winter gear" is just gliding through rather than actually competing. Why he is afraid to compete and escapes to a less competitive sport like triathlon is the subject of this thread.
Justin Young and Matt levassuir from Adam State
Good runners. But 10k Olympic trials qualifiers?
In other words, you still know zero who fit being fast enough for the 10k trials but not enough for the marathon trials.
Answer to the question... for the same reason bike racers hate triathletes. (Apologies if this answer already came up).
They are not gay or bi. They are tri.
I wish I could just "glide" to a 34 10k. The top Tri guys are running 31,32 and 33s after 25 miles of biking and a 1 mile swim. I will venture to say that the top guys in tri are making more money the our mediocre runners. If it wasn't for Culpepper and Meb running in America would be a complete joke. I did tri for about 10 years and I left it because the training to compete for the top spots was incredibly difficult. Now I run 80 to 100 miles a week and still bike some and from first hand experience training 1 sport is so much easier and less demanding. To be competetive at the ironman level you are looking at 30 to 40 hours of training. In the end, as long as your working hard and having fun, who cares.
gabberjr wrote:
I wish I could just "glide" to a 34 10k.
That's life!
The top Tri guys are running 31,32 and 33s after 25 miles of biking and a 1 mile swim.
Again, for 9K that's not too tough, especially if you've trained for it for 20+ hours a week.
I will venture to say that the top guys in tri are making more money the our mediocre runners.
KK has made a ton more than any tri-wank ever will.
I did tri for about 10 years and I left it because the training to compete for the top spots was incredibly difficult. Now I run 80 to 100 miles a week and still bike some and from first hand experience training 1 sport is so much easier and less demanding. To be competetive at the ironman level you are looking at 30 to 40 hours of training. In the end, as long as your working hard and having fun, who cares.
And to do that, if you don't start out with enough sponsorship to not have to hold down any job or at least come into it really soon after you take a competitive stab at it, you either live off a girlfriend/S.O. or a trust fund or in your parents' basement. Either way, you don't see poor single post-grad runners or people from the barrio or the 'hood (or in the working-class homes of America) able to sponge off their families to give it a go.
I started reading this thread because I love running, but I have a brother who does triathlons. And I am also gay; imagine how it feels to read about runners trashing triathletes by calling them \"gay-looking\"! Really mature of you guys. Rock on. Runners aren\'t the most main-stream people in America anyway; does it make it cooler to bash on gays?