Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

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Father Colm and Eliud Kipchoge, two good friends of the normally charismatic policeman, fully support him. They have a lot to lose, should the IAAF find him guilty.

rubbish both very much on board with doping as is wada and iaaf .

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supposedly in a time of disclosure in other avenues ,

getting nothing with doping in track ,

only more cover and scapegoats and sacrificial lambs .

no mention or even a hint of what more modern dope involved .

Just a thought ,

somebody mentioned to me strange or not occurrence

of Bolt running in lane 6 in every round of was it moscow worlds 2013 .

anyway obviously check wiki and that person obviously misinformed

but was it some other champs

was in lane 6 for finals though .

obviously make sure their pet project gets the lane 6 .

Ghost1 wrote:

Eldoret and Iten has agriculture, meaning everyone eats their three squares, albeit heavily focused on carbs, and deficient in protein, hence life expectancy around mid 60's.

Explain the longest living population being Okinawan Japanese? Or, the healthiest population in the US being the Seven Day Adventist?

"It turns out that it’s whole plant foods, not fish, that make up 90% of the traditional Okinawan diet: Less than 1% of the diet was fish; less than 1% was meat; and less than 1% was dairy and eggs. "

Kiprop is a joke, and anybody who believes ANYTHING he says is a moran.

End the cheating.

Ghost1 wrote:

but the issue here is that the lightly framed, occasional hip hop dancing ectomorph has had his name dragged through the mud, and his reputation damaged.

For the moment he cannot walk in the center of Eldoret with his head held high with that regal posture characteristic of his bearing.

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With nearly every post repeating the same over-the-top ridiculous descriptions of Kiprop's shape and bearing, it seems painfully obvious to me that Ghost1 is trolling very hard indeed. Either that or his posts are more inspired by an erotic man-crush than any objective appreciation of Kiprop's athletic talents.

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

Eldoret and Iten has agriculture, meaning everyone eats their three squares, albeit heavily focused on carbs, and deficient in protein, hence life expectancy around mid 60's.

Explain the longest living population being Okinawan Japanese? Or, the healthiest population in the US being the Seven Day Adventist?

"It turns out that it’s whole plant foods, not fish, that make up 90% of the traditional Okinawan diet: Less than 1% of the diet was fish; less than 1% was meat; and less than 1% was dairy and eggs. "

https://www.bluezones.com/2017/05/okinawa-diet-eating-living-100/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mryzkO5QWWY

So how many old Okinawans and Seventh-Day Adventists smoke, drink, don't exercise, live in overcrowded cities and eat junk food? If that proportion same as the rest of the U.S., then I am impressed by the protective effects of their grass-eating diet.

Ghost1 wrote:

In the BBC online interview with Kiprop, one sees an honest, sincere looking young man, explaining what happened in this unfortunate affair. One feels empathy for the fallen star.

Psychologists and physionomists, studying the BBC video, will concur that Asbel presents the face of an innocent, noble human, with nothing to hide.

If Kiprop is found guilty of the charges, the sport of running will never be the same again in the Rift Valley.

Please define what an "honest, sincere young man" looks like?

His performance in the interview is down to individual interpretation. We might as well say that if they look innocent, then let them off! Perhaps the court systems around the world should adopt similar practices!?

If Kiprop is guilty then he should be banned per the rules of the sport. He knows what they are. And if the sport of running will never be the same again in the Rift Valley, then so be it. Your comment sounds like a plea to let him off because of that!

If he is guilty, then he only has himself to blame, and Kenyan athletics only have themselves to blame for allowing such a corrupt environment to emerge, thrive and flourish, for what seems like decades.

Lasse Viren wrote:

Also he says the testers tampered with his sample when he went out of the room and paid the money using his phone in another room. Surely they didn't know if he was to pay them an adequate amount - therefore not needing to tamper with his sample...

So how is this explained by EK and the other Kiprop apologists. Did the testers assume and anticipate he wasn't going to pay them enough "tea money" while out the room so they spiked his samples that had momentarily been left open on the table. What then if they then found out he had paid them enough "tea money", do they then dispose of the samples and go back and get fresh samples, or do they say "oh shite, we've just cut off one of the hands that feeds us, but we'll have to submit them now, never mind there's plenty more dopers out there".

The whole thing is bizarre and doesn't make sense, similar to the spiked toothpaste, etc.

Quote: "If Kiprop is guilty then he should be banned per the rules of the sport. He knows what they are. And if the sport of running will never be the same again in the Rift Valley, then so be it. Your comment sounds like a plea to let him off because of that! " end quote

There are too many bizarre aspects to the case which need to be explained.

Asbel has been on the circuit over 10 years, and was told ahead of time about the testers, and could have gone away, but chose to fully cooperate, which characterizes the behavior of an innocent man with nothing to hide.

Also, the behavior of the testers did not conform to normal protocols.

Hopefully Asbel's revelations will end all this suspense, because this thread is turning around in circles with no conclusion. We should be patient, and let A.K. plead his case, in the company of his lawyer.

Posters here are claiming it is a water tight case against the pencil thin, elegant, unpredictable star, but that is not the case, as we will all find out, hopefully sooner than later.

Ghost1 wrote:

There are too many bizarre aspects to the case which need to be explained.

At last, you're starting to get it.

Completely, totally and utterly bizarre. wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

There are too many bizarre aspects to the case which need to be explained.

At last, you're starting to get it.

I agree with this last bit, the money offer is neither here nor there. He tested positive in both samples. He's already past the 'innocent until proven guilty' stage, the onus is on him to prove its a false positive. Bit like Froome being given months and months to produce lab test results to prove his test was a false positive. In Kiprop's case I think the odds are heavily stacked against him and he's going down.

I wonder if anyone (tester or athlete) is going to testify that money changed hands elsewhere too?

At the least they need to replace the local testers with non-corrupt ones maybe non-Kenyans who don't come from the 'bit of money for some tea' culture. Or the 'tipping people off the day before' culture.

And athletes need to wise up. You would expect a policeman of all people to know that a money transfer during a drug testing visit is asking for trouble.

Deanouk wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

In the BBC online interview with Kiprop, one sees an honest, sincere looking young man, explaining what happened in this unfortunate affair. One feels empathy for the fallen star.

Psychologists and physionomists, studying the BBC video, will concur that Asbel presents the face of an innocent, noble human, with nothing to hide.

If Kiprop is found guilty of the charges, the sport of running will never be the same again in the Rift Valley.

Please define what an "honest, sincere young man" looks like?

Couple of examples here:

yeah found video with some guy talking about bolts 6 , 6 ,6 was in rio 2016 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA6tlXvgExQ

Ghost1 wrote:

Quote: "If Kiprop is guilty then he should be banned per the rules of the sport. He knows what they are. And if the sport of running will never be the same again in the Rift Valley, then so be it. Your comment sounds like a plea to let him off because of that! " end quote

There are too many bizarre aspects to the case which need to be explained.

Asbel has been on the circuit over 10 years, and was told ahead of time about the testers, and could have gone away, but chose to fully cooperate, which characterizes the behavior of an innocent man with nothing to hide.

???

It seems pretty obvious to me why he didn't run away and chose to cooperate.

Kiprop has already admitted that he knew the testers and that they had (historically) called in advance to let him know they were coming, which is actually against IAAF rules/protocol. So straight away, Kiprop has admitted to being part of illegal practices. If he was such an honest, Christian man, then surely he would have informed the IAAF ages ago that he was getting advance warnings before drug tests!?

The only plausible reason why he didn't inform on them, is that they had (previously) assisted him in some way, perhaps ensuring him that his samples would be 'looked after'. Maybe on this occasion, someone else had paid a lot more for the testers to do their job properly.

To me it seems more obvious that athletes would dope in the off season, enabling them to train harder and build a greater aerobic base. Kiprop may just have thought it would be out of his system quicker, and that someone else (higher up in Kenyan athletics) would cover for him in any case, if the sample turned up positive.

At this stage I agree, the accused should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but Kiprop's comments and interviews contradict themselves and rely on far-fetched almost implausible series of events. It is hard for any sane individual with a modicum of intelligence not to come to the conclusion that he's clearly hiding something. Previous accounts of his behaviour and conduct, not to mention all the corruption and positive tests that have been haemorrhaging out of Kenya in recent times, does little to help his case.

I've got something else to say regarding Kiprop's upcoming 'defence' courtesy of his lawyers.

Kiprop was notified of this positive test on the 3rd of February. He was officially charged with violating anti-doping rules on the 16th March.

What has he been doing for the past 5 months? Where was his defence? If he had anything even resembling concrete evidence then he would have submitted it to the IAAF already and we would never have even heard anything about this.

Ghost2 wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Please define what an "honest, sincere young man" looks like?

Couple of examples here:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/20048066

How about an honest, sincere young woman?

qo3igh wrote:

Kiprop is a joke, and anybody who believes ANYTHING he says is a moran.

End the cheating.

Brutally honest, but highly truthful.

Kiprop is guilty as of now.

The sample tested positive in late November. Kiprop was informed in February. Kiprop was officially charged with violating IAAF rules following the Athletics Integrity Unit's investigation into the matter, where they ruled that there was no evidence of tampering with the sample, on March 17th.

Now comes Kiprop's appeals etc before the IAAF tribunal ultimately decides his fate. It is possible for the tribunal to reverse his positive test still, (has happened in the past with 'dodgy meat' and 'passionate kissing') but as of right now he is guilty, unless proven innocent. Not the other way round.