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This entire page of posts is solid gold analysis^^^
This is why LRC kicks ass on current events of running.
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sbeefyk2 wrote:
The key here is he could have easily not provided a sample and been fine. Something is fishy and I bet he will be exonerated. Then all you haters can go back into your caves.
Ok. So he leaves the room to get the DCOs some pay off money. While he is doing that they spike his sample on his dining room table with EPO.
Yep. That totally happened.
Abdoujaparov wrote:
Something's weird here. I have a need for money that is "known to me." If I ask, will Kiprop M-Pesa me his best guess as to how much?
I'm guessing no.
If there's a record of the transaction that should be easy to demonstrate. Burden is then on Kiprop to explain why he randomly wires guys money just because they ask. They may well have been shaking him down but for Kiprop to claim he had no idea what the payment was for is ridiculous.
You have obviously not spent much time in Kenya. ?
trollism wrote:
To be honest though, all a Kenyan has to say is 'It was a foreign conspiracy' and just about every dimwit in the country believes it.
You are correct and the same is true to some extent in the U.S. and this explains why an inveterate liar is in the Oval Office.
Misster idioto wrote:
Abdoujaparov wrote:
Something's weird here. I have a need for money that is "known to me." If I ask, will Kiprop M-Pesa me his best guess as to how much?
I'm guessing no.
If there's a record of the transaction that should be easy to demonstrate. Burden is then on Kiprop to explain why he randomly wires guys money just because they ask. They may well have been shaking him down but for Kiprop to claim he had no idea what the payment was for is ridiculous.
You have obviously not spent much time in Kenya. ?
DCOs are corrupt. Accepting money, giving 24hrs "heads up", etc... it needs to be fixed. But if you limit the info to just the critical factor of how did the sample test positive... you get these options:
A. He doped
B. The DCO left his sample container open and before sealing it put a precise amount of metabolized EPO in while he was in the bedroom scrounging for money but didn't get any money because he actually used his phone.
I guess B is not impossible... so i'm not convicting him yet. But it is indeed a dark day...
KAA wrote:
bkrunner wrote:
Having read the statement, I find Kiprop's story somewhat believable (see my post above). Not saying I believe him, but the story is believable, if that makes sense.
However, for the cynical observer, there is another way to interpret this story (and the exchange of money Kiprop referenced): The collectors come to the house. Kiprop pees in the cup and tells the collectors, "Guys, I'm screwed. I've got EPO in my system and I need you to help me out. Can I wire you some money?" The collectors promise to fix things for him. He wires the money. But the collectors made a promise they couldn't keep, because it's out of their hands after the cup is sealed.
Again, I have no idea what actually happened, but both scenarios seem plausible.
The KAA has a history of corruption and attempts at extotion. This seems more believable then Kiprop would take the test with drugs in his system after he was given notice beforehand.
I concur a Kenyan teammate of mine would always tell me how he had to send money back home because friends would ask him if they could have some money. I would ask why they needed to the money and his response would be " I don't know " without any angst in his voice. It didn't bother him one bit.
I believe the guy.
I never doubt Asbel kiprop innocence and after reading his statement
i'm even more convinced that he is not a doper
Somebody was pissed because Kiprop hadn't paid a prior debt. He paid it this time under threat, and he knew precisely what the payment was for--but he didn't include interest, and his creditors got fed up and sent in his actual sample rather than a fake.
The above scenario explains all the false "issues" that Kiprop advances as requiring an explanation: why he paid, why these two didn't have to tell him how much, why he didn't (and apparently has never) miss an OOC test even when he knew about it beforehand, etc.
Too much to read.
Has there been any mention of toothpaste?
Good news for Kiprop though. Mike Morgan, legal specialist in getting dopers off the hook on frivolous technicalities, will be available soon, after having completed Froome's Salbutamol case.
It’s a well thought out story that he had months to prepare.
I honestly don’t believe any of it unless more information comes out proving his innocence.
Sounds like a cheater who’s throwing everyone under the bus in order to get off at this point.
Hopefully there will be some solid evidence in the end that puts the blame on the right person/people.
If he gets off and then never runs sub 3:35 again it will be hillarious.
Ghost1 wrote:
I believe Kiprop is 'not guilty' - but this does not mean he is 'innocent' - however the normal protocols during the test were broken, and it seems Kiprop has proof through his smartphone payment, which the testers reportedly agreed to, which makes this whole narrative even more bizarre, but with all those alleged, by Kiprop, irregularities - the case against Asbel should be thrown out.
On another note, Asbel is a Kenyan policeman by profession, and it beggars belief that he would jeopardize his whole future and retirement, by using EPO as a training recovery tool, well into the off season.
Canova and brother Colm will both confirm that Asbel is probably the last person in the Rift Valley who would ever dope.
Let the legal machine do the necessary, and come up with a just decision for Asbel, the ectomorphic policeman.
Um, Fancy Bears? We already know that he is a doper.
Thanks Asbel, all those threads on me were getting boring, repetitive and more and more bizarre every day, so over to you old pal.
Regardless of the (no doubt) incompetent and (possibly) corrupt testing authorities, Kiprop chooses to work with management that have been associated with a succession of dopers and so doesn't get benefit of the doubt. There are other managers. He didn't walk the walk. (See also Dibaba, G.)
Sad and pathetic really. It's easier in a way to shrug off the likes of Ramzi, middle of the pack runners with more ambition and greed than morals. But seeing the super talents cheat, the graceful freaks that are born with the ability to elevate the sport, ah it's just unutterably grim
An idea wrote:
I wonder what would have happen if Kiprop presents evidence (call register on phone etc) to the IAAF of the 'warning' call, that should invalidate the whole thing IMHO. Not necessarily the best way to clear himself but it puts a big question on the whole thing, even without the payments issue.
Just shows how corrupt Kenyan athletics is and how there is no OOC testing in that country .
Ion4 wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:
A few thoughts,
1) These guys called and warned him of the test. There is no mention that this was the first time or that it was any surprise. We are left to assume this is always the way it goes. There's really no verification he was warned though.
2) They asked for money (smart to transfer electronically so it is verifiable). No surprise from Kiprop? No questions about what it's for? Just says "ok i'll go get some" and assume it's "personal needs"? Again, we are left to assume this is always the way it goes, and Kiprop knew it was a bribe.
3) He implies that his bribe wasn't enough so his sample was tainted. The doesn't make sense. If they know he is willing to bribe them and it wasn't enough, they would simply ask for more. Second, he insinuated they tainted it while he went to get the money! There isn't a reasonable motive for them to taint the sample
4) It was a urine sample not a blood sample. If the "experts" on these boards are to be believed, that is the easiest type of test to beat (doesn't show up within 24hrs?). So he would have either taken a very large dose or taken a dose after he was warned of the test (if he was warned.)
Doesn't really add up, does it?
So he was bribed in November, said nothing for over 6 months, known of the positive for some 3 months said nothing. The media hears about it, next day 'oh it's extortion.'
I am an official official wrote:
LRC Note: We're merging two threads on this
Well Kiprop's response is bonkers.
So say the bonkers brothers.
pkl wrote:
I believe the guy.
Anyone who doesn't is an idiot and has no clue how the world works.
Kiprop's statement brings up a lot of problematic issues. Seriously, if he has proof of giving money to the anti-doping officers, then it happened and the questions become 1) is this bribe/extortion typical procedure with major athletes? 2) does Kiprop seriously think that he was giving money to them for no other reason? 3) is this the first time that he has given money to anti-doping officers? 4) was Kiprop's sample tampered with by the officers? 5) why is advance notice being given for OOC tests?