zatopek, quit being a dipshit. now.
zatopek, quit being a dipshit. now.
all i can say is that guy sure likes to relive the glory days...because i remeber the time i broke the national hs 2 mile record, and believe me the experience was greatly over exaggereated
Average_Joe wrote:
He's already bailed a lot more hay than you or any of the backseat drivers on this board...Culpepper's bailing just fine.
As a sidebar to the dispute and a supplement to the "it's epic duel, not epic dual" lament, I will point out that as written, the above passage suggests Culpepper has a habit of dopping out of races (albeit proficiently), not that he's metaphorically making the most of his training efforts.
As usual on internet message boards, a thread that started with the ignorant question, "who was/is Craig Virgin" has digressed into "Culpepper sucks".
If you look at Bob Kennedy and Adam Goucher- BK would have a PR barely under 13:20 and Goucher would have a PR in the mid 13:20's if they didn't go to Europe. Culpepper ran 27:30 in a very early season meet. Imagine what he could do if he went to Europe in his peak. 27:13 would go down for sure. I'd stop this argument if all the Culpepper supporters could fine ONE world class coach that believes that the best way to prepare for the olympic/world championship 10k is to not race for 2-3 months. It's not a matter of Culpepper doing what he wants and "knowing what he needs," you do NOT go into a major championship with no races under your belt. Geb tried to do this due to injury, and it resulted in his first loss at the 10k distance in about 10 years. Every coach, even the ones that support minimal racing, would never, ever, send an athlete into their goal race with no tune ups. Culpepper has about 3-4 good years left in his career at most. If he wants to make the transition from good american to the greatest american, he needs to go to Europe. End of discussion. There is not one knowledgable coach, running scientist, or world class athlete that would disagree with me.
"Running scientist"...Too funny, man.
Average_Joe wrote:
Zat0pek wrote:You were the one that brought up him making a living in the sport.
Uh no. I wasn't. I brought up no such thing. Where did you see me doing that?
I would have sworn that in your previous post mentioning internet know-nothings, that you said it was a good thing he didn't earn his living from them. Upon review, I see I was wrong. Mea culpa. When I'm wrong, I admit it.
overlord wrote:zatopek, quit being a dipshit. now.
Oh, please.
Mills wrote:Imagine what he could do if he went to Europe in his peak. 27:13 would go down for sure. I'd stop this argument if all the Culpepper supporters could fine ONE world class coach that believes that the best way to prepare for the olympic/world championship 10k is to not race for 2-3 months. It's not a matter of Culpepper doing what he wants and "knowing what he needs," you do NOT go into a major championship with no races under your belt. Geb tried to do this due to injury, and it resulted in his first loss at the 10k distance in about 10 years. Every coach, even the ones that support minimal racing, would never, ever, send an athlete into their goal race with no tune ups. Culpepper has about 3-4 good years left in his career at most. If he wants to make the transition from good american to the greatest american, he needs to go to Europe. End of discussion. There is not one knowledgable coach, running scientist, or world class athlete that would disagree with me.
That calls for not only an A-MEN! but also a HALLELUJAH!
"running scientist:" there are plenty of physiologists with PhD's that do numerous experiments in order to find scientific ways of improving performance. Dr. David Martin and Peter Coe are two examples.
"malmo" wrote:
>As usual on internet message boards, a thread that started with the ignorant question, "who was/is
>Craig Virgin" has digressed into "Culpepper sucks".
Since the latter is patently incorrect, I'll try to redirect it to somethign correct: "Potvin sucks."
So some trivia, who was second to Virgin when he ran 8:40.9? Also his time?
Eric Hulst? 8:41.1?
Culpepper needs to race more and maybe he would win more. Statistically, speaking that's true anyway. Regardless, get out of Boulder from time to time and let people see you race.
jimmy
Malmo, Culpepper obviously doesn't suck, and I certainly don't think that.
The guy has a load of talent, a great work ethic, runs a ton of miles, and when he does race, he always shows up prepared and runs well. On top of that he seems a genuinely nice guy. He timed his move to the marathon perfectly, in my opinion. I also like an athlete that follows their own beat, and when it comes to training, Culpepper obviously knows what works for him. Kudos for all of that.
But training is only gets you so far in international competition. At some point, in order to take that last step from good to great, you have to get battle-hardened. That's what Culpepper won't do. All of that great training and fitness can get wasted to a great degree if he's not willing to gamble on himself a little more and go out of his comfort zone. At some point, you just have to step into the breach, put yourself in a postion to fail, and see what happens.
Matt Centrowitz ran 8:56 behind Virgin's 8:40.9. I was there!
Yes we have winner, I think. Matt Centrowitz placed 2nd to CV in 8:56.8. Your LetsRun T-Shirt is in the mail.
Speaking of some great races of the early 80's, check out these results from the 1981 TAC cross meet. I only have a hard copy, so I'll type the top 20 plus other notables. Anybody with some time on their hands can add up the number of Olympians, American Record holders and World Record holders that were in that race.
Nov. 28, 1981 9800 meters.
Place Name Age Time
1. Adrian Royle 22 27:20
2. Alberto Salazar 23 27:22
3. Jan Hagelbrand 27 27:41
4. Nick Rose 29 27:43
5. Thom Hunt 23 27:45
6. Steve Scott 25 27:49
7. Peter Koech 26 27:54
8. Herb Lindsay 27 27:55
9. Don Janicki 21 27:56
10. Graham Fell 22 28:03
11. Steve Plasencia 25 28:06
12. Dan Dillon 24 28:06
13. John Gerhardt 28:12
14. Steve Ortiz 22 28:12
15 Jim Stinzi 23 28:13
16. Don Clary 24 28:15
17. Pat Porter 22 28:16
18. Mark Kimball 21 28:17
19. Greg Duhaime 28 28:18
20. Tom Smith 24 28:19
21. Jim Spivey 21 28:20
24. Gary Tuttle 34 28:22
25. John Gregorek 21 28:23
32. Dick Quax 33 28:36
35. Doug Padilla 25 28:42
36. Henry Rono 28 28:43
39. Steve Lacy 27 28:47
48. Bill Donakowski 25 28:51
49. Eric Hulst 24 28:52
51. Duncan MacDonald 32 28:53
52. John Zishka 19 28:53
54. Tom Wysoki 25 28:54
55. Matt Centrowitz 26 28:55
56. Kevin Ryan 24 28:55
101. Paul Cummings 28 29:43
125. Terry Drake 24 30:03
267. Irv Ray 29 34:47
Gotta' admit it's a funny handle, though...
StatsRus-
where are you finding all of these results?? if you could tell me where to find them it would be great. i am particularly interested in finding the men's ncaa xc results from 1989, 1990 and 1991 (top 50 finishers)