Mental health community wrote:
Deja Vu Again wrote:Oh, I think we butt-hurt a manly "no-oxygen" he-man. Do you really think we are impressed if someone climbs with no oxygen? It's stupid and dangerous. Do you also want me to show you that wearing seatbelts saves lives?
No I didn't ask for that. Why are you changing the subject? And letting the insults fly? No facts to back up your opinion?
You can't possibly be that dumb. You are on a running site and you don't understand the effects of oxygen? What do you think you breathe when you run? Do you even understand the effects of oxygen deprivation? Maybe you've done so many high mountain climbs without oxygen that you've killed all your brain cells.
Mental health community wrote:
stats on stats wrote:Your claim was that I have an uninformed opinion. That was not well thought out. Please point out where I gave an uninformed opinion.
Provide one stat or source that shows a greater percentage of people dying that didn't use oxygen. Otherwise you are just spouting an uninformed opinion. You made the claim so prove it or go away.
I never made that claim. That's where you are wrong.
The numbers won't actually settle your debate, because people who attempt Everest with and without supplemental oxygen differ in other significant ways as well. For example, those attempting it without oxygen are usually professional climbers with lots of experience above 8000m, whereas less experienced climbers almost all use bottled O2. So you might well see a higher death rate with oxygen, but the cause would be inexperience, not bottled O2. In fact, some people argue that bottled O2 allows less experienced climbers to more easily get in over their head, with potentially fatal consequences. At the same time, professional climbers not using bottled O2 are often attempting more hazardous routes. And there are other nuances and complications that aren't worth detailing here. So it would be very hard to look at the numbers and figure out how much safer bottled O2 makes Everest, if it makes it safer at all.
Notwithstanding the above, "deja vu again" is a spineless idiot.
Don't Be Such a Roadie wrote:
6 people died this weekend on Everest.
That's great! Keep us updated!
Deja Vu Again wrote:
Still not seeing any evidence from Jornet that he actually made it to the top. Anyone want to ask him and his team for the GPS data?
The blog said he reached the summit alone and that the cameraman stopped and turned around well before the summit.
I do not doubt he made it, but he needs to provide photos and GPS data as better proof.
Were any topless, cig-smoking PTSD wymyn seen near the summit area?
this and this wrote:
Deja Vu Again wrote:Still not seeing any evidence from Jornet that he actually made it to the top. Anyone want to ask him and his team for the GPS data?
The blog said he reached the summit alone and that the cameraman stopped and turned around well before the summit.
I do not doubt he made it, but he needs to provide photos and GPS data as better proof.
The best guess will be that the camera and GPS didn't work during the 'final' ascent.
One thing that I'm wondering about. Why does it say that this is an FKT in the media when wikipedia has Hans Kammerlander with a time of 16h45m from "Everest North Basecamp"? Oh, so I guess KJ started from the monastery and not the basecamp at the glacier. I wonder what that distance is. Ok. It says that's 8 km. So maybe that adds two or three hours because of altitude and probably a rough road I would guess. And it seems like in the video KJ rested 2 hours at ABC.
I kind of wonder if he started at the monastery because of Kammerlander's time being fast. So that he could say he has the fastest time from monastery to the summit. I guess it's still a good climb. When you look at the pictures of the monastery with Everest behind, it's impressive.
Actually, I just saw something that said that it's 30 km from the monastery to the basecamp. Maybe that could add four or five hours.
Killian was on a different route with no fixed ropes. Makes the climb harder. But the FKT claim is more complicated. Perhaps FKT for that route or FKT self supported? Not using climbing aids placed by others.
Same route. That Hans guy that I mentioned was on the Tibet side. For sure Kilian had his gear at basecamp and he would have changed from runners to boots.
Oh. I guess I read that too fast. Total distance is supposed to be 30 km. 18.6 miles. And distance from monastery to base is 8 km it seems.
4 people.check yer figures
Don't Be Such a Roadie wrote:
6 people died this weekend on Everest. They might have even been using oxygen.
There is actually a good write up on his blog now. It says that the run from the monastery was 15 km in glacial moraine. The difference in elevation from the monastery to the summit looks like 12,200 feet.
Considering he is still coming down the mountain it may be a little early for a Strava upload. The guys is very honest - most everything he does includes video and you can't drive an RV up mountains. I don't doubt him.
As for the FTK, his have always been an up and down records so I'm not sure how this one sits as he was never intending on stopping at ABC.
Deja Vu Again wrote:
He is still an idiot and hubris. It's only a matter of time before he ends up like Steck.
Drop dead douchbag-- or at least use the word 'hubris' correctly, retard.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_f7RqEsydYYPrusher wrote:
Don't Be Such a Roadie wrote:Seb Montaz was filming. There are feature films of his past summit records, and this is the final part of the Summits of my Life project.
Summits of my Life sounds like a lame Nickelback song.
KJ wrote:
Considering he is still coming down the mountain it may be a little early for a Strava upload. The guys is very honest - most everything he does includes video and you can't drive an RV up mountains. I don't doubt him.
He abandoned his videographer. KJ could not be seen by that on the 'ascent.'
Cicero wrote:
Deja Vu Again wrote:He is still an idiot and hubris. It's only a matter of time before he ends up like Steck.
Drop dead douchbag-- or at least use the word 'hubris' correctly, retard.
Excuse me, I think you forgot a comma. Did you mean to describe Jornet as a "drop dead douchbag" or did you mean to tell me to go and "drop dead, douchbag"? And "douchbag" is spelled "douchebag", douchebag.