bwakem wrote:
Richard Dawkins.
The talk show host who kissed all the contestants?
bwakem wrote:
Richard Dawkins.
The talk show host who kissed all the contestants?
Guy Jenkins wrote:
bwakem wrote:Richard Dawkins.
The talk show host who kissed all the contestants?
No, Dawkins is a character from South Park. He's Ms. Garrison's love interest.
joho wrote:
What also needs to be asked is how many of these scientists were widely heralded while they were still alive?
As someone else pointed out above, life changing breakthroughs may not be evident for some time after the scientist's death.
Literally all of them. You've got to remember, this was before Beyonce and Kanye West.
Citizen Runner wrote:... science is probably more evolutionary than revolutionary ... more team oriented than during the enlightenment. Thus scientists tend to be anonymous outside of their expert group.
This is always the case. In the history of scientific advancement, all significant ground-breaking discoveries have been revolutionary, breaking from the background noise of perpetual evolutionary (slow and steady) journeyman-like work that nibble at but doesn't take a big bite out of prior misconceptions.
Peerage wrote:
blerbled wrote:Robert Edwards received a Nobel Prize in 2010 for work regarding In Vitro Fertilization that he did a few decades ago. As someone who is a recent beneficiary of his work, I'd say that's pretty groundbreaking.
Regarding Einstein - something that iconoclastic coming around nowadays would probably be thoroughly stifled by the current peer review system.
Einstein was not alone in coming up with relativity -there were others on the same path - but he got there first. And he had his work thoroughly peer reviewed. I believe he said something like, "A million experiments can not prove me right, but one can prove me wrong". You talk like peer review can actually stifle a correct theory in the long run, when the exact opposite is true.
I wasn't aware that anyone else was working on relativity. Who?
The process of peer review can be corrupted to lock out theories and evidence which challenge the established scientific orthodoxy. Look into "Climate Gate" where the IPCC explicitly used the peer review process to shut down skeptics and undermine their careers. Sadly, science is far more politicized and corrupt than most of us thought it was.
The field is still open for "relativity-like" revelations:
1. Dark matter - Huh? It's 70% of the universe but no one knows what it is?
2. Unified field theory - one equation to tie all the forces together
3. ???
DiscoGary wrote:I wasn't aware that anyone else was working on relativity...
And this is precisely why you ought to consider refraining from posting your thoughts, wishes, beliefs and opinions about science.
donut man wrote:
Look how they treated James Watson and you see why we don't have larger-than-life scientists anymore. Can you imagine what would happen to a great scientist who expressed doubt about client change? Today's culture demands conformity with the consensus, and if you challenge any form of liberal mass stupidity you'll be ostracized, fired, or never hired.
What are you talking about? I'm not aware of James Watson making any remarks on climate change. He was on my list that I posted earlier in this thread, but the guy is a jerk. He was shunned for being a bigot, not for remarks about climate change.
It's likely because scientific advancements in the past were relatively simple: The Theory of Universal Gravitation, for example, is modeled by a series of simple equations. Modern advancements. however, are much more specific and difficult to understand.
It takes years until an information generates benefits. Only when an information is widespread valued, the author is recognised.
Timothy Bernerd Lee invented www
Today the internet values as much as the lightbulb.
the shill wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:I wasn't aware that anyone else was working on relativity...And this is precisely why you ought to consider refraining from posting your thoughts, wishes, beliefs and opinions about science.
Who? What was the state of their work when Einstein come up with Special Relativity in 1905?
I was aware that Einstein used other's math models in his theory, and I was aware that others knew there were limits to Newtonian physics, but I was not aware that anyone else was as close to coming up with a relativity model in the way that Newton and Leibniz basically invented calculus simultaneously.
Was there another whose work was so far advanced that they were on the brink of releasing their findings when Einstein released his? Please tell who that was. I'm sure the world would like to know.
Have you added anything of value to any discussion at any point in your life?
DiscoGary wrote:
the shill wrote:And this is precisely why you ought to consider refraining from posting your thoughts, wishes, beliefs and opinions about science.
Who? What was the state of their work when Einstein come up with Special Relativity in 1905?
I was aware that Einstein used other's math models in his theory, and I was aware that others knew there were limits to Newtonian physics, but I was not aware that anyone else was as close to coming up with a relativity model in the way that Newton and Leibniz basically invented calculus simultaneously.
Was there another whose work was so far advanced that they were on the brink of releasing their findings when Einstein released his? Please tell who that was. I'm sure the world would like to know.
Have you added anything of value to any discussion at any point in your life?
No, I have not. And your point being?
DiscoGary wrote:
the shill wrote:And this is precisely why you ought to consider refraining from posting your thoughts, wishes, beliefs and opinions about science.
Who? What was the state of their work when Einstein come up with Special Relativity in 1905?
I was aware that Einstein used other's math models in his theory, and I was aware that others knew there were limits to Newtonian physics, but I was not aware that anyone else was as close to coming up with a relativity model in the way that Newton and Leibniz basically invented calculus simultaneously.
Was there another whose work was so far advanced that they were on the brink of releasing their findings when Einstein released his? Please tell who that was. I'm sure the world would like to know.
Have you added anything of value to any discussion at any point in your life?
Einstein was heavily influenced by Poincare, Lorentz, and Minkowski and some experimental work I can't recall. If you take an intro class on relativity most of it would talk about Lorentz transformations and Minkowski space.
the shill wrote:No, I have not. And your point being?
That was not me! Wejo, do an IP check and if it was me, ban me for life!!!
Haha, nice, stealing my handle, touche... I though a bit of Flagpole-esque repartee would lighten the mood.
DiscoGary, do u even google bro? There is widespread agreement that the mathematician David Hilbert derived the field equations of general relativity at the same time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute#General_Relativity_3Kip Thorne concludes, in remarks based on Hilbert's 1924 paper, that Hilbert regarded the General Theory of relativity as Einstein's: "Quite naturally, and in accord with Hilbert's view of things, the resulting law of warpage was quickly given the name the Einstein field equation rather than being named after Hilbert. Hilbert had carried out the last few mathematical steps to its discovery independently and almost simultaneously with Einstein, but Einstein was responsible for essentially everything that preceded those steps...".[B 11] However, Kip Thorne also stated, "Remarkably, Einstein was not the first to discover the correct form of the law of warpage [. . . .] Recognition for the first discovery must go to Hilbert."[B 11]
DiscoGary wrote:
the shill wrote:And this is precisely why you ought to consider refraining from posting your thoughts, wishes, beliefs and opinions about science.
Who? What was the state of their work when Einstein come up with Special Relativity in 1905?
I was aware that Einstein used other's math models in his theory, and I was aware that others knew there were limits to Newtonian physics, but I was not aware that anyone else was as close to coming up with a relativity model in the way that Newton and Leibniz basically invented calculus simultaneously.
Was there another whose work was so far advanced that they were on the brink of releasing their findings when Einstein released his? Please tell who that was. I'm sure the world would like to know.
Have you added anything of value to any discussion at any point in your life?
donut man wrote:
Look how they treated James Watson and you see why we don't have larger-than-life scientists anymore. Can you imagine what would happen to a great scientist who expressed doubt about client change? Today's culture demands conformity with the consensus, and if you challenge any form of liberal mass stupidity you'll be ostracized, fired, or never hired.
Jim Watson was a racist, sexist a-hole who stole data from a colleague and tried to sell his Nobel prize. That is why he is treated and thought of the way he is today. You'll notice that Francis Crick, the other half of the double helix discovery, was respected to the day he died.