Explain, then, why Van Niekerk, who is almost short for a 400 runner at 6 feet even, dominated his much taller competitors. Elsewhere, you've posted that this supposed super drug is responsible for his world record. Why, then, did he benefit more than those several inches taller than him?
Murder Dubs wrote:
Explain, then, why Van Niekerk, who is almost short for a 400 runner at 6 feet even, dominated his much taller competitors. Elsewhere, you've posted that this supposed super drug is responsible for his world record. Why, then, did he benefit more than those several inches taller than him?
Quicker leg speed, holds his form better. Has a better range of motion. The last 50m was impressive, maybe too impressive.
This description seems right for the world record holder, because he has said that he normally pukes after every race and was nervous before world's last year, I think, because he didn't want to puke in front of the world.
donkydoo wrote:
maybe if you are used to PED induced WRs where people arnt even phased or tired at all
i PR's by .7 in the 400 and my coach was super excited and pumped, but all i could think of doing was sitting down somewhere as soon as possible as the pain was building at an exponential rate. i cant say for everyone but for me the last 50m or so was painful, but it was the 20 min or so after i was done running that HURT the most, severe pain in the ass, hamstrings, calves, quads, forearms and brutal mind splitting headache, and if i didnt lay down right away there was dry heaving and puking. my guess is the people who dont fall down like that didnt push 100%, but you look at how he layed down last year and his facial expressions this year as he was hunched over you can tell its not pleasant
in my mind the 400 if ran 100% is the most terrifying because of the pain involved after the fact, look at how many people just lay around on the ground in pain after a good 400 race.
80s kid wrote:
Why are people laughing at the womens 1500m and 10k WR and not saying anything about the mens 400m? The record got smashed because he was in lane 8 due to the longer curve and inability to see your competitors? LoL since when has any race, championship, Olympic final or WR been broken in lane 8? It doesn't even happen in high school. Under that logic the 200m WR should be run in lane 8 too!
Interestingly, there have been quite a few outstanding performances from lane 8 for the 400m dash and hurdles. The fact is, there is nothing about lane 8 that truly makes it any different from the middle lanes. For an athlete like VNK, lane 8 is what probably made the record possible because he basically ran his own race, which was pretty all out the whole way as opposed to focusing on the competition. Being that he won by a decent margin, he probably would have run slower if focused on what was going on around him. Also, the 400m record is definitely not weak.
Most likely, you are a troll and I know I'm biting.
jjjjjj wrote:
In what sense is the record a joke? That it would take drugs to run that fast from lane 8? It does make sense that the first guy to run sub 10, sub 20, and sub 44 would be the one to become the 400m world record holder.
LOL umm maybe the fact that he's "the first guy to run sub 10, sub 20, and sub 44" should set off some bells?? You don't pull that off without being jacked on the sauce big league
Mope Dealer wrote:
Murder Dubs wrote:Explain, then, why Van Niekerk, who is almost short for a 400 runner at 6 feet even, dominated his much taller competitors. Elsewhere, you've posted that this supposed super drug is responsible for his world record. Why, then, did he benefit more than those several inches taller than him?
Quicker leg speed, holds his form better. Has a better range of motion. The last 50m was impressive, maybe too impressive.
Nah he started dying that last 50.
He finished stronger the last 50 because he's quicker. LSM and James were with him at 250, but WVN - being quicker - had spent less getting there. He had a bigger speed reserve. So he died less in the last 100.
I also don't think Merritt's endurance is sensational. A 19.8 200 runner who trains for 400 should run faster than 43.6. That's double + 4 seconds - most elites are at low-mid 3s.
Karma Police wrote:
Mope Dealer wrote:Quicker leg speed, holds his form better. Has a better range of motion. The last 50m was impressive, maybe too impressive.
Nah he started dying that last 50.
He finished stronger the last 50 because he's quicker. LSM and James were with him at 250, but WVN - being quicker - had spent less getting there. He had a bigger speed reserve. So he died less in the last 100.
I also don't think Merritt's endurance is sensational. A 19.8 200 runner who trains for 400 should run faster than 43.6. That's double + 4 seconds - most elites are at low-mid 3s.
The second part is correct, Merritt looks too tight and stiff. The first part I disagree with, that last 50m WvN had something else I hadn't seen since MJ, but WvN looks smoother.
Mope Dealer wrote:
Murder Dubs wrote:Explain, then, why Van Niekerk, who is almost short for a 400 runner at 6 feet even, dominated his much taller competitors. Elsewhere, you've posted that this supposed super drug is responsible for his world record. Why, then, did he benefit more than those several inches taller than him?
Quicker leg speed, holds his form better. Has a better range of motion. The last 50m was impressive, maybe too impressive.
He only ran 12.0 for the final 100m. Last year in Lausanne, his final 100m was 11.4 and Reynolds ran the final 100m of his 43.29 in 11.2.
WVN last 100m was not impressive. His first 300m however was astounding.
He was dying badly in that last 100m he simply held his form together through focusing on what he had practiced in training. If you make a concentrated effort to hold your form you can do so no matter how tired you are.
Kirani James and Makwala let themselves rock and roll over the closing stages despite running fast times because they are not as disciplined.
It's just like Rudisha in London 2012. He was being caught over the last 100m but just kept his form and let the line come to him. Looked flawless despite slowing markedly.
Left Said Fred wrote:
Mope Dealer wrote:Quicker leg speed, holds his form better. Has a better range of motion. The last 50m was impressive, maybe too impressive.
He only ran 12.0 for the final 100m. Last year in Lausanne, his final 100m was 11.4 and Reynolds ran the final 100m of his 43.29 in 11.2.
What was his actual time in Lausanne?
Reynolds, was his own pharmaceutical company, young well-intentioned student activists would stand next to him just to protest exorbitant prescription prices. Not saying that WvN is clean but he is compared to Butch, as soon as out of competition testing came in he was 1s slower.
43.96
It was in Saint-Denis, my apologies.
He closed his run in Beijing last year in 12.1.
Consider this.... wrote:
Which lane is the fastest depends on how much shorter and/or weaker your left leg is than your right. If your right leg is shorter/weaker than your left, you'll always be worse the further in you are, so lane 8 will be your best bet.
That is correct and is something I heard mentioned many years ago at a coaching clinic. Obviously, if you have spent your youth, H.S., college and pro career exclusively running the 2/4, you are going to have a slight leg imbalance. You can clearly see it in the weight room when doing single leg exercises. Butch Reynolds, Steve Lewis, Michael Johnson, Jeremy Wariner, Merritt and James for example, were never great indoor runners relative to their outdoors performances because of the tight turns.