Monaco 1500m Men

The first pacer is scheduled to go 1:50 through 800, then the second pacer 2:17 for 1K ... which is 3:25.5 pace.

The IAAF preview for the Monaco meet says "Asbel Kiprop ... has been itching for a pacemaker to set him on a world record tilt all season.", this in spite of Kiprop himself saying multiple times he won't go for the WR this season, instead putting his focus on gold in Rio.

It seems at least the meet organizers would like a WR, or are trying to set one up. As I remember it, last year going into Monaco Kiprop was saying he had missed training, wasn't in very good shape he thought, etc ... then of course he ran 3:26.69

I'm not sure what to expect.

MakwalaFan wrote:

The first pacer is scheduled to go 1:50 through 800, then the second pacer 2:17 for 1K ... which is 3:25.5 pace.

The IAAF preview for the Monaco meet says "Asbel Kiprop ... has been itching for a pacemaker to set him on a world record tilt all season.", this in spite of Kiprop himself saying multiple times he won't go for the WR this season, instead putting his focus on gold in Rio.

It seems at least the meet organizers would like a WR, or are trying to set one up. As I remember it, last year going into Monaco Kiprop was saying he had missed training, wasn't in very good shape he thought, etc ... then of course he ran 3:26.69

I'm not sure what to expect.

3:23.X is not out of the cards

I think we may see a 3:27, and it will be the most 'underwhelming' 3:27 of all time!

I hope I am wrong!

Pleased to see Charlie Grice in the field, I hope he runs a long overdue PB. 3:32 or faster would be great.

an even-paced 1:50, rather than a 53/57, which is more typical, would set Kiprop up a lot better to maintain in the third lap and have a shot at it. He'd need 55/1:50/2:45/40.xx to do it. For comparison, Centro's last 300m was about 41 at U.S. champs. That record is awfully good.

Don't want to break the fun but i won't be surprised if the meet got cancelled. :(

Asbel says it won't be fast.

https://www.facebook.com/asbel.kiprop/posts/1174517759247085

El Keniano wrote:

Asbel says it won't be fast.

https://www.facebook.com/asbel.kiprop/posts/1174517759247085

Thanks for ruining the thread, what are we going to argue about now?

Thanks for nothing. wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Asbel says it won't be fast.

https://www.facebook.com/asbel.kiprop/posts/1174517759247085

Thanks for ruining the thread, what are we going to argue about now?

We can expect 3:24.XX

Star wrote:

Yes, Sunday to Friday and Eugene to Monaco is a bit tight.

The fourth race isn't a big deal. Those prelims were easier than workouts.

It can be done.

50 minute run on Monday.

Shake out run and strides on Tuesday then get on plane.

Get there Wednesday - jog and stretch.

Thursday - go to track and warm up - 4 X100m is spikes 24 hrs before race.

Friday - line up and hang on.

Not ideal, I know.

They normally like to get to Europe, do a low key 800 and then do the hard race a week later.

Anything can be done,but to win medals you don't do something as stupid as this type of travel competition before a Olympic games.In case your not aware the Games come every four years, Monaco is every year, prioritization.

At this level you look to minimize things that can take you off your game leading to the games where fractions of a second can make the difference between medaling and not.

There are few races around the US that minimize travel and give tune up type competitions. The Pro league track meet in Houston have a set up a special 1000 meter race for several elites as a tune up effort.

For all the Europe based athletes Monaco makes sense.

You are always claiming strong winds in almost every meet, where you then proceed to take seconds off their times.

There was no strong winds in Birmingham, just normal wind readings. I was at the meet and the conditions were good.

I am with you Said88!

I think the track is illegally fast to benefit 800/1500 runners, as it is the IAAF's flagship stadium.

And Ventolin^3 is banned from these boards, so don't quite know why he is better my allowed to post as Calculo .

Andy Bayer ran the Trials and just ran well at Monaco today.

I realize he didn't make the Olympic team but just pointing out it can be done.

And we're still a month away from the Olympics so it wouldn't ruin someone to do this.

Centro is doing the right thing but sometimes you want to run while your hot. It could be a lifetime PR or AR. You'd don't get a lot of shots at that.

Many american Olympians in the past have gone straight to Europe after the trials.

ISBN wrote:

And Ventolin^3 is banned from these boards, so don't quite know why he is better my allowed to post as Calculo .

Ventolin was banned for a day. That's it.

Deanouk wrote:

penny dreadful wrote:

Deano, you've written some of most insightful middle distance analysis of anyone on here, how can you predict Kiprop runs 3:31? Have you watched him race this year?!

Well, I was only a second out!

Neither of us win this time! He didn't go sub 3:30 but he clearly followed the pace and was then mucked up by the pavers slowing and running into the back of Jackson Kivuva.

There was no "laying low" just disappointing race execution. The fitness is there and he's still odds on to become the second man with two Olympic 1500 golds in a month.

penny dreadful wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Well, I was only a second out!

Neither of us win this time! He didn't go sub 3:30 but he clearly followed the pace and was then mucked up by the pavers slowing and running into the back of Jackson Kivuva.

There was no "laying low" just disappointing race execution. The fitness is there and he's still odds on to become the second man with two Olympic 1500 golds in a month.

The incident with the pacer was insignificant. The pace had already slowed on that third lap. If Kiprop was in last year's 3:26 shape then he should have managed a 3:27-3:28, after going through the bell in 2:34. He ran a 58 last lap and was clearly running out of steam along the back stretch.

He only 'gave up' in last 30m, otherwise he would have run 3:31.

I'm not saying he isn't going to win the Olympic title, but I don't think he's in anywhere near 3:26 form.

Deanouk wrote:I am with you Said88!

why ?!

he quoted some facts but coud offer no conclusion as re : pacing for each race involved

unless he offers such as "bell-time" for each run, his analysis is nothing more than a list, which he likes to do

I think the track is illegally fast to benefit 800/1500 runners, as it is the IAAF's flagship stadium.

laughable !!!

how do you make a track fast for 800/1500 but crap for 100/400/5k ???!!!

what is the "physics" of rubber to do it ??!!

then tell us why iaaf woud want fast times to detriment off sprint times, 100m, which are "flagship" events of the sport ???

why aren't male/female monaco track record :

9.60 / 10.55 ???

is this a joke ???

this was not non-existent contact coe-jones in '84 800 final, but Asbel running into an almost halting pacer !!!

it finished Asbel as all momentum gone !!!

his slight build is not designed for collisions as recorded in iaaf WC handbook of '09 800 semis when they said, with 1'43.1sb : ~

"he got collided twice at 600 in the semi & gave up"

Asbel doesn't do collisions

not Asbel's fault

pacer was slowing to ~ 2'19.3 at 1k, which was 3'28.9 pace, but Asbel not sharp after spending 3 days before meet waiting to testify for manager

he was in 3'27-high shape in birmingham if not for wind !!!

it's track record was 3'34+ !!!

if fit/focused in monaco, he wouda taken over at 900 & looked for 3'26+ at worst

he lost training after birmingham for the court case

with near collapse from collision at 2'23, with having to speed-up from near-fall was miraculous !!!

even moreso for guy who doesn't collide well !!!

learn to watch/analyse

his race was finished at ~ 2'23

no

he put in perfunctory run, knowing 3'26/3'27 long gone

win not of interest, especially after collision

laughable

he wouda run 3'27+ in birmingham if not for wind, so i sure doubt 3'31 is much interest ?!

you do know he has a 3'26.6PB !?!?

learn to watch/analyse

he was in 3'27+ shape in birmingham if not for wind

you went to birmingham knowing it had a 3'34+ track record & you expected in your wildest dreams on that windy track, Asbel to run :

3'29.3 ???!!!

No, it was not windy for the 1500m in Birmingham. I was there. Were you?

A wind of 2m/sec either down the back straight or down the home straight, would slow down a 400m run of 44 sec by c. 0.08 sec running in lane 1.

The overall effect in an elite 800m would be less than 0.2 sec, even less if they were drafted for any of those straights.

You take 1 reading from 1 heat of -3.1m/sec earlier in the afternoon and use this to state it was windy during Kiprop's race. This is totally misleading.

The 1500m was fun at 14:50. The long jump started immediately after. The most readings we have for wind closest in time to the 1500m was the men's LJ, where the highest reading for the leading 8's jumps was +1.0m/sec.

The highest negative reading was -1.3. All jumps were within the legal limits for wind.

The nearest track event to the 1500 was the women's 100mH, which took place 18mins later and had a wind reading of -0.3m/sec. Basically nothing.

There was no wind of any significance slowing down Kiprop in the 1500. It was a warm day and he had good pacing and drafting.

Nothing about the race showed 3:26/27 form.