Jess Andrews 90 sec PB! makes Team GB Oly Squad!!! Miracles do happen

10k progression for Jessica Andrews:

2012- 36:58

2014- 33:54

2015- 33:51

2016- 33:21 April 9

- 33:33 April 24

- 31:58 May 21

3 seconds of improvement from 2014 to 2015.

30 seconds of improvement from 2015 to April 9 2016.

83 seconds of improvement from April 9 to May 21, 2016.

Please explain why her 33:33 road 10K shows that she was in ~32:30 track 10k shape only 27 days before the trials and is the "simple answer".

That seems to be a very large gap for an "equivalent performance" simple answer from road to track. Her 33:21 on the track on April 9 was only 12 seconds faster than her road 10 k on April 24.

rjm33 wrote:

10k progression for Jessica Andrews:

2012- 36:58

2014- 33:54

2015- 33:51

2016- 33:21 April 9

- 33:33 April 24

- 31:58 May 21

3 seconds of improvement from 2014 to 2015.

30 seconds of improvement from 2015 to April 9 2016.

83 seconds of improvement from April 9 to May 21, 2016.

Please explain why her 33:33 road 10K shows that she was in ~32:30 track 10k shape only 27 days before the trials and is the "simple answer".

That seems to be a very large gap for an "equivalent performance" simple answer from road to track. Her 33:21 on the track on April 9 was only 12 seconds faster than her road 10 k on April 24.

Road is slower than track, fact. If you look at the recent track PBs of the guys at the top of that race you will see that road course ranges from 40s to 1 minute+ slower. Her debut track race on April 9th was simply a performance that did not represent her ability or current fitness. It happens. Please tell me you ran to your potential every race (especially in an early season distance debut) and I will brand you a liar. Like I said, I once opened my season with a 1:58. I ran 1 week later and ran 1:50 by the end of the summer.

Progression is hardly ever linear, you are a fool to think it should follow some order you have decided. I have explained this apparent improvement, part of it is to do with that 33:51 last year being a road course and coming in a year where she clearly was not running or racing much; possibly injured I don't know. If she was injured or not training in 2015 then the progression from 33:50 two years ago to 31:58 now is not unbelievable.

You and some others like you are assuming Jess has been training like a pro for 3 years and suddenly got faster. She said herself in the interview after the race that she has been training really hard recently.

The simple answer is she has great talent and has been training hard. It's an Olympic year, she saw the possibility of making the team and went for it. The time she ran is not spectacular. Maybe if you trained hard too you might run a 32min 10k and wouldn't be so sour. Maybe your line of work has turned you into an extreme sceptic.

Either way, there is not evidence of doping and I have exhausted that fact. Your random usage of double quotation marks, confusing grammar and incessant habit of misquoting me is tiring also. I'm done here.

Fair points

I wonder what the equivilant time is for a man

Would anyone be getting excited if someone ran 2 1/2 mins slower than the mens world record

rjm33 wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'If she comes down with some kind of infection then we will know.'

No real reason to get an infection from a blood tranfusion. Blood is neutral in terms of bacteria and any ifection would be screened if done professionally and unlikely anyway. The donor would need to be have an illness and most infections don't reach the blood

As long as needles are sterile, Infections only generally happen when using semi permant venous catheter for along period of time which would only be used if you were seriously ill.

Hey ukathletics coach.

You are not having better luck. There is no donor. An autologous blood transfusion is with the person's own blood. You once again do not know anything about what you are talking about.

You are wrong again within 2 minutes. Congratulations.

You are also showing a complete lack of knowledge on the topic.

You are right I should have remembered to google autologous like you did.

Why would you need to feck around with your own blood or is this how its done because anyones would do the job - unless it a real back alley job?

I see you are selective in your nit picking

Answer my other point:

Now back to the topic would you be talking about doping if a male went from 30 to just under 29 mins!

Now try the following

What is the world record on roads compared to track (google it like you did with the blood thing)

How hilly was the road course

What was the temperature like. Its only April but Spain can be warm even in April esp out in the sun

Did she have a pacer for most of the road race

Was she targetting the road race or the Olympic marathon trials

But back to the main point its easier to improve at a lower level. As can make up for lack of speed by improved endurance. 31:15 to 30:00 would be a lot more suspect

Of course if she was a convicted doper like Merritt running world class times beyond his speed she would be clean as a whistle on here and the front page

This was the equivalent of a UK male going into the race with a 29.15 pb and having run 29.30 on the road in recent months (having improved from around 31 over the last couple of years) coming out and hitting 27.59 and making the Olympic team, I think there would be a LOT more people thinking 'hang on a minute'

I had never been under 32 minutes the first time I went under 31.

When you're not that close at all to world class (despite Olympic qualification here, it's still not world class) big jumps are possible.

trollism wrote:

I had never been under 32 minutes the first time I went under 31.

When you're not that close at all to world class (despite Olympic qualification here, it's still not world class) big jumps are possible.

I jumped a whole 2' in just a few months when I was in my 20s partly because the first race, which was also a modest pb, was run in dangerously hot conditions so I didn't go flat out. Also I had just started to get my training together for the first time. A few months later I not only maintained consistent training but upped my mileage a lot and there it went.

This is someone who wAs already training with international athletes in her group in the uk for several years and was being coached by someone who was at the time coaching world level athletes. This is like a rehash of the Mo Farah story. Before he trained with Salazar he wasn't professional, no, just living in a house and training with a group of Kenyans including Micah Kogo (world record 10k road) and spending months of the year in Kenyan training camps whilst being coached by someone who had coached several Olympic medallists.

I did not have to use google to find out the meaning of 'autologous'.

You sound just like rekrunnnnnner with your troll arguments.

You do not know anything about blood transfusions or how much time various PEDs take to become effective.

In conclusion: You are a Letsrun.com idiot. Not a shocker.

I will try to keep an eye out for Jess Andrews at the Olympic 10k when Tirunesh Dibaba laps her for the 1st or maybe even 2nd time.

Wrong. You don't know anything about her. Athletics doesn't work like that in the UK.The other guy that said this is like a male running 27 you are wrong too. Women's time is piss poor. This is like a male running under 28:45. 32 is about 28:45

Joke time wrote:

This is someone who wAs already training with international athletes in her group in the uk for several years and was being coached by someone who was at the time coaching world level athletes. This is like a rehash of the Mo Farah story. Before he trained with Salazar he wasn't professional, no, just living in a house and training with a group of Kenyans including Micah Kogo (world record 10k road) and spending months of the year in Kenyan training camps whilst being coached by someone who had coached several Olympic medallists.

rjm33 wrote:

I will try to keep an eye out for Jess Andrews at the Olympic 10k when Tirunesh Dibaba laps her for the 1st or maybe even 2nd time.

So the doping 32 minute girl will get lapped by the perfectly clean Dibaba and you'll love every second? Do you turn into a jibbering idiot every time an African 33 minute 10k runner goes under 32?

You know that Jess Andrews will now be subject to a testing regime that Tirunesh Dibaba has never had to face, despite her World Records and gold medals?

As we speak (in the words of the Ethiopians) the 5k/10k Ethiopian hopefuls are hidden away in a camp in Ethiopia. No chance of a tester getting anywhere near.

trollism wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

I will try to keep an eye out for Jess Andrews at the Olympic 10k when Tirunesh Dibaba laps her for the 1st or maybe even 2nd time.

So the doping 32 minute girl will get lapped by the perfectly clean Dibaba and you'll love every second? Do you turn into a jibbering idiot every time an African 33 minute 10k runner goes under 32?

You know that Jess Andrews will now be subject to a testing regime that Tirunesh Dibaba has never had to face, despite her World Records and gold medals?

As we speak (in the words of the Ethiopians) the 5k/10k Ethiopian hopefuls are hidden away in a camp in Ethiopia. No chance of a tester getting anywhere near.

+1

Hey trollism!!! My friend trollism who this week has called me mentally deficient and now a jibbering idiot!!! You are such a fun little troll.

I am also a conspiracy theorist trollism. I think just about everyone in every country on the planet is doping... including some runners at my local 10k races.

However…I will still keep an eye out for Jess Andrews when Tirunesh Dibaba, and maybe Almaz Ayana, and all the Kenyans, etc., etc., lap her for the 1st or maybe even 2nd time.

You are a very rude and bad man trollism!

Now I am going to wish you out to the cornfield.

rjm33 wrote:

Hey trollism!!! My friend trollism who this week has called me mentally deficient and now a jibbering idiot!!! You are such a fun little troll.

I am also a conspiracy theorist trollism. I think just about everyone in every country on the planet is doping... including some runners at my local 10k races.

However…I will still keep an eye out for Jess Andrews when Tirunesh Dibaba, and maybe Almaz Ayana, and all the Kenyans, etc., etc., lap her for the 1st or maybe even 2nd time.

You are a very rude and bad man trollism!

Now I am going to wish you out to the cornfield.

You're not doing yourself any favours on the 'jibbering idiot' front with this bit of waffle.

Trollism. Look how upset you have made Rachel.

You need some discipline troll pup.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/may/25/secret-life-of-the-human-pups-the-men-who-live-as-dogs

Oh you crazy Brits with the photo of trollism, rekrunner, and Metric Miler all together for a group run.

What fun!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

rjm33 wrote:

Hey ukathletics coach.

You are not having better luck. There is no donor. An autologous blood transfusion is with the person's own blood. You once again do not know anything about what you are talking about.

You are wrong again within 2 minutes. Congratulations.

You are also showing a complete lack of knowledge on the topic.

You are right I should have remembered to google autologous like you did.

Why would you need to feck around with your own blood or is this how its done because anyones would do the job - unless it a real back alley job?

Now here is a great idea!!!

Pro running is exactly like pro cycling. IAAF President Lord Sebastian Coe is the equivalent of Pat McQuaid.

ha ha ha

lets.troll.trollism.com wrote:

Trollism. Look how upset you have made Rachel.

You need some discipline troll pup.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/may/25/secret-life-of-the-human-pups-the-men-who-live-as-dogs

Oh you crazy Brits with the photo of trollism, rekrunner, and Metric Miler all together for a group run.

What fun!

It's cute that you don't use your registered name (I'm sure you are) in order to post something a little bit 'naughty'.

Aren't you a big brave boy.

Apparently Andrews wasn't eligible for the UK title which UK Athletics have now awarded to Scot Beth Potter, according to Scottish Athletics - can't see any other confirmation of this. There was a snide remark on FB after her win about Andrews not running in an official club vest?

"It has also now been confirmed by British Athletics that Potter, Scottish National XC champion for 2016, earned the British 10,000m track title at the Highgate event with race winner Jess Andrews not eligible for the gold."

http://www.scottishathletics.org.uk/17652/