Coe blood doped

Look, I don't know if Seb doped or didn't dope. However, I think everyone here can agree that there have been rumors about him blood doping for years. In my mind, even if he was supremely talented, it was always mysterious how he managed to run those times off the kind of training he was (supposedly) doing. Add to that the fact that his own father used to say that he didn't let Seb race that they "gotten his blood right", and you have good reason for suspicion. Still, let's assume he didn't dope, I have to agree with those who say it totally stretches credulity to think that he was a VP at the IAAF and didn't know what was going on or take part in all of it. It sounds as if nearly everyone at the top end was in on this, but we're supposed to think Seb wasn't??

I think you're mistaking rumours for unfounded allegations made by people who have no insight whatsoever.

Please give a link or provenance of the quote Peter Coe allegedly made referring to getting 'his blood right'. I have never seen or heard this before.

The point was made earlier, that anyone can come on here and claim they trained with someone who knows that athlete X doped back in the day.

I've read rumours on these boards suggesting he went to Italy to blood dope, to the US, and now we have Sweden mentioned! I mean, really, he was certainly putting himself about a bit. People lap this sort of thing up under the protection of anonymity on an Internet message board, but then are too stupid to think that if all 3 claims are true then you can guarantee there are lots of people out there and a very interested British press, who would have revealed all this long ago and made loads of money selling the story.

Coe was one of the first to use and be very open about the scientific side of training and testing for VO2, lactate threshold, etc. Something that is fairly common place amongst the elites of today. That doesn't mean he was doping, and it would have been pretty stupid for either Seb or his old man to have TV cameras recording him on treadmills, talking about a scientific approach, and the such if he were indeed doping.

As far as I am aware, the only time he started getting his blood 'regularly tested', was after the bout of toxoplasmosis in 1983, as that never completely leaves the system and can lay dormant and flare up at a later date. Testing was a necessity if he were to stop a reoccurrence of that.

It's interesting that I haven't seen a single thread or even post calling for Sergey Bubka to step down as Vice President, considering he was in exactly the same position as Coe was at the IAAF for the last 8 years! Surely if Coe knew then so did Bubka.

It is very easy for us to speculate on here as to the level of corruption that has been going on and who knew what. What I will say is that few if any of us know Coe on a personal level. As you can imagine, there have been numerous TV, radio and news programmes in the UK this week regarding the whole Russia/ IAAF / Coe thing. Just tonight I listened to a 90 min radio show on the crisis. It has also been on Newsnight and other current affairs programmes.

The consensus from the head of UK Athletics, Ed Warner, the head of the WADA commission, Dick Pound, the head of drug testing in Sport in the UK, Steve Cram and many others, is that Coe is the right man for the job. All these people know Coe personally, all have worked alongside him and have known him for many years. None have anything to gain by supporting him.

The most interesting of those who have stated this is Pound. As head of the Commission looking into the corruption within the sport, he is the one man who knows what other skeletons are going to be outed in the next few weeks. If he has any evidence, or indeed suspicion, that Coe is involved with corruption or cover up, do you really think he's going to state to the world's press that Coe is the right man for the job, as he did in the press conference on Monday?

Deanouk wrote:

The consensus from the head of UK Athletics, Ed Warner, the head of the WADA commission, Dick Pound, the head of drug testing in Sport in the UK, Steve Cram and many others, is that Coe is the right man for the job. All these people know Coe personally, all have worked alongside him and have known him for many years. None have anything to gain by supporting him.

Wat?...

They have nothing to gain from supporting the most most powerful man in track and field?

Clerk wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

The consensus from the head of UK Athletics, Ed Warner, the head of the WADA commission, Dick Pound, the head of drug testing in Sport in the UK, Steve Cram and many others, is that Coe is the right man for the job. All these people know Coe personally, all have worked alongside him and have known him for many years. None have anything to gain by supporting him.

Wat?...

They have nothing to gain from supporting the most most powerful man in track and field?

So Pound, who'se revealed all this corruption about Disco, the recently retired IAAF President, is actually corrupt himself and will not be prepared to take down the new President as being corrupt because he is so powerful?

Yeah, that makes sense!

If you believe that these people will lie because Coe is so powerful, then you might as well say that no one is in a position to make any comments about the situation as everyone involved is corrupt.

Bloody prescripted text. For Disco read Diack. Lol

The French police uncovered Diack.

All I'm saying is that just because they say Coe is the man for the job doesn't mean he is.

His attacks on the media, conflict of Interest with corporate consultant contracts, scapegoating of Russia, denial of awareness of problems in IAAF despite being VP for 7 years ("asleep or naive"), failure as head of Ethics at FIFA, failure as head of London Olympic Committee to ensure adequate drug testing and the minimizing of tests on GB athletes leading up to the games, statement that "this is the first time I've heard of it." despite Russian/Kenyan.IAAF scandals rocking the media for years...

All of that outweighs those guys in the Boyz Club have to say about him.

Im already being persecuted by a few weirdos(metricmiler, coejones..) on your website - and you want my name??? What for? Personalised death threats?? Yes ive been very specific- thats the point. You have enough info to do your own investigation. Youre a journalist? Start at Loughborough. Check out his peers. How easy do you want it? Im giving you a scoop. Dont say when this all blows up you were shocked he doped. You were told and resisted the facts. Dont be complicit, it will discredit you eventually. I hope everyone sees how dopers are protected. You spiritually invest in these 'heroes' and... well its the armstrong effect. Go check it out.

I'm persecuting you am I? So you have a persecution complex too? You think that if we knew who you were, you would get death threats? Have you any other conspiracy theories you want to tell us about? Anything that you believe without any evidence, that'll do nicely for this nutty thread.

Clerk wrote:

The French police uncovered Diack.

No they didn't. The French police acted on information provided to them directly from the WADA commission report, in advance of publication.

Also, there was no failure at London to ensure adequate drug testing, nor did anyone minimise tests on GB athletes leading up the games.

Coe is also being maligned for his reference to a "war on athletics" with people joining this up with the ARD December 14 investigation. Coe made the war on athletics remarks in response to the snide insinuation by some media outlets (and no doubt some pseudo journalists and forum posters) about individuals made as a consequence of the reports from this year which tried to make a sensationalist headline out of bio passport data where in fact there was a far more nuanced story (still one of interest, I don't disagree, but not the story that the tabloid world wanted to run with).

Coe has been such a figurehead, and such a polarising figure in many people's minds (if for no other reason than that he was a Tory MP in the UK for a number of years) that if there had been any sniff at all of any information about him not being whiter than white when it comes to doping that it would have come out already.

Perhaps accusations about doping need to feature on snopes.com because the more I hear and read about people's "friend of a friend told me in 1983 when they were drunk and high" recollections of high profile athletes and their doping transgressions the more I just consider them to heading for the annals of urban myths.

91 posts and you call it a "nutty thread"! People have doubts about coe. Rightly so. Everything i know about him has come from fellow athletes and this graduate who heartfeltly said to me in a canteen everyone at Loughborough knew he has blood transfusions abroad. She was a manager and definitely went to the elite uni whilst coe was there. Shes about 50ish, not into athletics. I dont know how old coe is. I never asked her for this info.

Im sorry i dont have photographs of him doing it! Youd say its an actor or its doctored anyway. Its unfortunate but all reasonable rumours should be checked out in these dark days for athletics. But why all the hostility to me whom has relayed a sincere witness's fact??

...unless you are covering up the cheating. Whats YOUR name? You are the cancer of athletics.

So you tried to silence me with 'ignore him, hes mad'. It hasnt worked. Plan B?

Armstrong never officially failed a drugs test, had many enemies in europe as he kept on winning, subject of a surfeit of serious rumours, was the most tested guy in the solar system, headed a foundation, was voted alongside Mohammed Ali as the greatest athlete of the 20th century etc etc - surely he wouldve been found out straight away if he was on gear..... its about the psychology of spiritual belief.

Excellent post. Agree 100%

Do you not think it strange that everyone in Loughborough knew Coe was doping while he was there, except the likes of training partners, Tim Hutchings and Dave Moorcroft and Coe's other coach, George Gandy?

Hutchings has always been an outspoken critic of doping and regularly commentates alongside Cram. You don't think they wouldn't have talked about such things if they really occurred? Cram, as someone else has stated on here, doesn't believe Coe or Ovett to have doped.

And if so many hundreds of students believed Coe to have doped, you don't think it strange that not 1 has come forward in 30+ years to make accusations that could make them a bucket load of money?

It may well be true that many at Loughborough 'heard' Coe had doped. It only takes one jealous teammate or someone with a grudge to bear, to tell a few people, they heard Coe went to Sweden to blood dope, for it to spread around campus like wild fire. That doesn't mean anyone has a shred of evidence, just that some fool wanted to feel better about himself.

How anyone can't see how rumours start is laughable

But I believe you are mistaken as blood doping was legal at the time, so why would people have cared what Seb was doing? What are they going to the papers with, he was doing something legal at the time, like me going to papers now and saying in 1995 me and my mate smoked indoors. They'll go yeah, everyone did you muppet.

The fact you think that Seb didn't is odd, I would have done at the time, it wasn't illegal just stretching the rules, you don't become a winner by doing what everyone else is doing.

doo doo wrote:

Toby dammit wrote:

Coe definitely used blood transfusions to oxygenate his blood. A friend went to his uni and swears he used to go off for his transfusions periodically. Its a well known fact.

While I don't tend to believe rumors like this, I think there is a reason British white men ran 1:41-1:43 and 3:29 for a very short amount of time and has not been repeated since.

It has more to do with the brainwashing by the folks in charge. For instance, look at your average white guy these days, ages 18 - 40 in the US, Canada or GB and much of the West. He's a feminized weakling, scared to compete against minorities or women, and he believes the PC garbage his red diaper grandkid teachers, professors, and media people shovel at him 24/7. This has more to do with things than "doping".

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What makes anyone believe that E. Africans who are NEVER tested out of season and who manage to avoid most 'surprise' spot tests during the season are clean? The sport is much dirtier now than it ever was (when it comes to the middle and long distances) and a lot of the E. Africans and certain third world countries (like Cuba for instance) are being given a pass whenever possible.

You're right. I chose the wrong words. French Police acted on information provided by WADA.

Here are the numbers from UKAD, each starts in April, ends in March:

6576 2012-2013

7410 2011-2012

7611 2010-2011

For comparison, they are back on track now, with 7026 in 2014-15, and 3685 half way through the 2015-16 year.

Or a more specific breakdown by quarter:

1988 Jan- Mar 2011 2058 Jan- Mar 2012 1606 Jan-Mar 2013

1648 Oct- Dec 2010 1490 Oct- Dec 2011 1283 Oct-Dec 2012

2210 Jul- Sep 2010 2100 Jul- Sep 2011 1461 Jul- Sep 2012

1746 Apr- Jun 2010 1763 Apr- Jun 2011 2225 Apr-Jun 2012

The only significant increase being the first quarter of 2012-13, which did little to make up for the year as a whole. (Which then dropped off to 1496 for Apr-Jun 2013)

It was not Coe's response to tabloidism and internet trolls. It was his driect response to the Sunday Time's report. Here is the IAAF statement made in pairity:

"Any reporting by the ARD and Sunday Times that the IAAF was negligent in addressing or following up the suspicious profiles is simply false, disappointing and misinformed journalism.

"What the IAAF cannot accept under any circumstances from the ARD/Sunday Times, or the scientists whom they have retained, is an accusation that it has breached its primary duty to act in the best interests of the sport of athletics.

"The experts have never worked for the IAAF and are therefore in no position to make any comment regarding what the IAAF has done or not done in the development and implementation of its blood and urine target testing program.

"To do so is simply guesswork on their part. The IAAF categorically refutes all allegations made by ARD and The Sunday Times and, specifically, that it failed in its duty to pursue an effective blood testing programme at all times."

Coe summed that up by saying the report (not internet trolls) were a declaration of war. It was a direct remark to the claims made by Ashenden and the other doctor cited.

The same could be said about Lance Armstrong before Fall of 2012. He was polarizing, but nothing was done about his doping. Everything that had been written about Lance before that is the same as what is written about Coe:

- Times faster than known dopers,

- competed in an era before a test was developed for the wonder drug (EPO test in the middle of Lance's career, Testosterone test only first used at Pan-Ams in 1983, not to mention the legal then illegal transfusion)

- Shady management (Andy Norman)

- Everyone else was dirty (From book linked below: "There is hardly a medal winner at the Moscow games, certainly not a Gold medal winner, who was not on one sort of drug or another, usually several kinds."

- The Omerta enforcement through the good guy/bad guy narrative

Just because he hasn't been outed yet doesn't mean he won't. Just because he hasn't been outed doesn't mean he didn't dope.

I agree with this. While it is wrong to expect a person to identify themselves anytime they post on a message board, but if their message is based on personal experience, then the "trust me" part can only be validated by their identity. We can trust public facts, but we cannot trust an anonymous source (which is different than trusting a journalist who knows the identity of an anonymous sources).

(Info on Testosterone tests on page 77 onwards:

Info on "Dirtiest games ever" 1980 olympics:

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