RACISM/PREJUDICE AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY TRACK AND FIELD/XC

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Obvious troll.

Statement from the school.......... https://www.georgetown.edu/statement-on-track

You certainly bring up valid points; with any self-proclaimed "team bonding" activity there will always be a fine grey line of what is acceptable and what is damaging. Let's just assume, for brevity's sake, that you're not a member of the team. You live your life external to the operations of GU T/F. This tells me, and everyone else reading, that you have never been present at any team function, so you cannot speak with one iota of validity regarding the team or the hoya tradition. This is YOUR problem. The scavenger hunt is not damaging to the team, nor can it be considered hazing. It is used for humor purposes. Humor is inherently subjective; what is funny to you may not be funny to me, and vice versa. "Initiation" is strictly voluntary, and that is made explicitly obvious to all members of the team. If you do not want to participate you do not have to do so. Several members of the team have exercised such right in years past due to heavy workloads, illness, prior engagments, etc. Is that team member then punished or not accepted? Of course not. "Initiation" only exists because, well, it is fun, and it is funny if you choose to participate. Perhaps you have seen the scavenger hunt online. Let's say there are 70 "tasks" that a team member can complete. Let me fill you in on a little "secret" since you, as mentioned before, have no idea what you are talking about: of those 70 tasks, only a few are actually "completed", as team members are mature enough (and equipped with a decent enough sense of humor) to realize that the "snarky...juvenile" tasks are simply for a chuckle at face value. I am sorry that you are too tightly strapped in to your proverbial high horse to understand how humor can operate in a community of 18-23 year olds. I will end by saying, once more, that for every heinous claim Nate/Stef may make about the culture of this team there are (quite literally) over 50 REAL members of the M/W XC/TF teams who will assure you that the team culture is appropriate and supportive to all athletes.

[quote]more to come wrote:

this is your problem right here. This is not Nate. Trust me. But it's out there. And unfortunately for you, you don't see how things like your scavenger hunt damage the team, the hoya tradition and yourself. The stuff on that list is disgusting. It shows a deep seeded pathology of sexism, elitism, and entitlement. There are many failures inherent in that list. It's not funny, snarky, or even something to be written off as juvenile. I hope it's something you can at least recognize as you grow older. You are in a bubble if you think this exists in the world of what is acceptable. [quote]team hoya wrote:

team hoya wrote:

As for me, I'll continue to hope/pray/do whatever I can to ensure that everyone who cares to listen knows that the real GU Track/XC rosters are filled with men and women of unquestionable character who are not only stellar athletes, but top notch students and men/women for others.

good luck with that. You've already been told by the university that your actions were unacceptable. They sum it up well here.

"Reviewed with the team the University’s policies prohibiting harassment, hazing, offensive and disrespectful behavior, and the University’s prohibition on retaliation against any individual who files a complaint, reports inappropriate activity or participates in the University’s investigations...Met with coaches and team members to reiterate the University's expectation that everyone is responsible for creating a culture where all members of our community feel respected and safe..."

I'm sorry for you that you still don't get it. You're not a victim. You messed up. Stop defending yourself and start working on yourself. People of "unquestionable character" do not do set up a reward incentive for doing awful shit to other people.

I am absolutely not a victim! When did I say I was? It is becoming readily apparent to me that your reading capabilities are less than properly developed. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a "reward incentive for doing awful shit to other people", but I am surprised that you allege such activity since you are not a member of the team. Again, whatever claims you may leverage against my teammates/coaches/me are to be ignored and negated due to the plain and simple fact that you ignorant on such matters as team operations and culture. I am amazed at how entitled YOU are. You claim to know so much about me, so much about my teammates, and so much about my team's culture; in reality, my friend, you know only what has been provided to you by a maliciously motivated boy who operates his own life under a veil of false victimization and immaturity. Don't believe me? Check out his twitter.

Although you are clearly a person who is quick to judge without requisite knowledge or background, I will happily continue responding to your replies. At worst, we exchange back and forth for a while, as this non-issue fades away. At best, I continue to disarm your pathetically spun attacks on my teammates and myself as you realize how misguided you are (through no inherent fault of your own, just through your lack of context/knowledge on the situation at hand). God bless!

[/quote] good luck with that. You've already been told by the university that your actions were unacceptable. They sum it up well here.

"Reviewed with the team the University’s policies prohibiting harassment, hazing, offensive and disrespectful behavior, and the University’s prohibition on retaliation against any individual who files a complaint, reports inappropriate activity or participates in the University’s investigations...Met with coaches and team members to reiterate the University's expectation that everyone is responsible for creating a culture where all members of our community feel respected and safe..."

I'm sorry for you that you still don't get it. You're not a victim. You messed up. Stop defending yourself and start working on yourself. People of "unquestionable character" do not do set up a reward incentive for doing awful shit to other people.[/quote]

Yupyup wrote:

Statement from the school..........

https://www.georgetown.edu/statement-on-track

Interesting how there are TWO investigations going on at the school...

" TWO investigations"

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So #1 is for hazing....

#2 is for claims specific to the female middis runner?

You are right. I am not a member of your team. I live external to the operations of your program. And this is exactly the point: You are in a bubble. In your little group, you think this is all acceptable. You don't see how pathological it is. You could have learned in Psych 101 why you think your latent homosexuality and violent misogyny are humorous. And not just unacceptable from the generic world looking in. Speaking directly to your tradition, what do you think the alumni are going to say? Do you think that Steve Holman is going to come to your defense? Is Gags going to come to your defense? Is the University right now coming to your defense? You are not upholding the tradition. You are starting something entirely new and you should know that to many people, it is disgusting.Man, for your sake, I hope you see it one day. GU is grooming you to be a leader in this world. You have privilege. Do something good with it.

So, when is more to come actually going to come?!

I'd like to see any videos/pics/emails that support the claims of the ex team members.

all of this is happening because obama is president. he has made it quite clear that black people need to be treated better than all other people, not just white. this is where this idiot girl gets her sense of entitlement from

Already two investigations on going for several months... Stefanie couldn't wait to get famous for victimhood through official channels?

I understand quite well the machinations of the human mind in regards to sexuality, latent and manifest. I hope you understand the sociological concept of humans as a social and inter-adaptable being. We interact in and amongst groups. I'm in my early 20s. When I watch Family Guy or some other low-brow comedy show, I laugh. When I am with my "group" of like minded young men in their late teens and early twenties, I may laugh at vulgar jokes. When I'm at my summertime 9-5 and am bumping elbows with academics, I do not perpetuate such humor. I'm mature enough to recognize my environment and respond accordingly. I bet you are quite similar. Again, for brevity's sake, let's say you are in your mid-to-late twenties. You live in D.C. and work in a corporate office; you like what you do, so you work hard to make an honest and solid living for you and your partner (and for whoever else may depend on you). In the office, you are well respected for your work-ethic and class. When the weekend rolls around you loosen your tie and head to the bars to be with your friends outside of the office. You have a few beers, or maybe you just have a few Cokes becuase you don't like alcohol. All is well. Would you behave the same in the bar as you do at the office? How about in your own home? Your mother's home? You, my friend, (just like I do) live your life in several bubbles. That is how humans interact. You, just like I do, understand the implications of your actions within each bubble. Interaction between said bubbles is certainly commonplace, and it is up to us to reconcile the differences between each bubble to ensure a beneficial interaction. My alleged actions in my own locker room certainly wouldn't be acceptable in my office, would they? Of course not! Would I discuss a tough interval workout in a similar fashion as a tedious work spreadsheet? No! We are not two-faced or lack genuineness in conducting our lives in such a manner.

Long story short, this is not the same team that Mr. Holman was on. We are different individuals with different values, but those values are well placed, nonetheless. We still produce on the track (6 sub-4 minute milers, 8 men sub 1:50 in the 800, the ONLY school to send men in EVERY event from the 800 through the 10k to NCAA Outdoor nationals), and we are still well-respected and positively contributing members of the environment we live in. Most of us have impressive resumes, many friends/bosses/professors who will stand behind us when our character is called into question, and nearly all of us are completing our rigorous courses of study at GU with the goal of enacting real and positive change in this life. I will be defined by my day-to-day actions and interactions with those around me, and I'm willing to bet that if you took the time to get to know me for the things I do and will continue to do for those around me you would want to do two things: (1) you would want to buy me a beer, and (2) you would want a man like me to date your daughter.

For what its worth, the boy you are for some reason defending is a criminal. Nate Gordon was arrested in 2013 for selling marijuana. Coach Henner allowed him to retain his scholarship and spot on the team when he very easily could have been expelled from school.

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I don't even know you and that took 4 mins to find.

You know this being a digital age and shit.

rojo wrote:

You know something that Georgetown doesn't also have? Any throwers. They didn't have a single mark in a single throwing event the entire years - men or women. Guess what? The throwers - like distance events - have a lot of white people doing them.

I'm heading off on a tangent from where the conversation has gone, but needed to correct this.

Back in the mid-1990s, Georgetown had an excellent hammer thrower - Kevin McMahon. 6 time All-American, went on to compete in two Olympic Games and four World Championships. He's now coaching at Stanford -

Of course, that's one person. From 20 years ago. And they had to pull in someone from outside to coach him -

So your point still stands.

[but he's white, so maybe we claim that they only pulled in someone to coach him because he's white? I dunno - my head hurts at this point]

Just had to correct. I'm Georgetown 1996, and I knew Kevin in passing, and he was a great guy. Hate to see him omitted.

It's a very sad point in time for collegiate athletics, and the college experience, in general. What many young people do not understand, is that defamation will ruin them, and their family. The saddest part about it, is that many universities are actually encouraging students to bring about false claims. There are a number of cases around the country, that have been proven false, and the university actively encouraged the accusations. The Duke case, UVA, Hofstra, Occidental, and more... ALL DID NOT HAPPEN.

softerthansoft wrote:

Already two investigations on going for several months... Stefanie couldn't wait to get famous for victimhood through official channels?

hoya team wrote:

For what its worth, the boy you are for some reason defending is a criminal. Nate Gordon was arrested in 2013 for selling marijuana. Coach Henner allowed him to retain his scholarship and spot on the team when he very easily could have been expelled from school.

It would have been racist to kick him off the team...

I have been reading these posts and responses but everyone is forgetting the real reason that all of this is occurring in the first place... Do not get me wrong Nate and Stef need to be held responsible for the actions they have taken... Nate and Stef (any MANY more) have had someone in their ear since 2013. Greg Lambert, who now coaches at Ole Miss is someone who should never be trusted, he has maintained contact with many athletes even after he left the Georgetown Track program. Although Nate and Stef (and many more) are involved with posting these emails, photos, and blog posts we have totally lost focus on the puppet master-- Greg Lambert. Greg Lambert has had contact with the exact folks that have been posting all of this \"evidence\" since he left Georgetown. Greg Lambert has a personal vendetta against the Georgetown coaching staff and will do anything and (clearly...) use anyone to try and \"achieve\" what he has been working to achieve since he started coaching Georgetown Sprints. Lambert spent more time conspiring to take down the coaching staff then he did coaching his athletes. There was just a huge need to remind everyone why all of this started in the first place. It\'s easy to convince a young frustrated track athlete who is not performing well that it is the coach\'s fault-- Lambert capitalized on this with young frustrated athletes. Lambert would also reach out to athletes that were no longer on the team to ask if they would go into the athletic director and tell the department that they were unfairly let go. He has bee attempting to build a case and is using Georgetown\'s athletes to do so. Many have known that Greg Lambert has been doing this and (for some reason) have not spoken up. I hope this results in some sort of investigation on his end.

I am a collegiate coach (DI) and have no knowledge of, or opinion on this specific issue. What I do worry about are false claims. Many years ago as a head coach a female athlete (I am male) made a serious allegation against me. I knew that I didn't do anything wrong, but it was very stressful and negatively affected my career and life. In the end they found out that the female was just a little unstable mentally and when she started performing poorly wanted to blame and hurt someone. That someone was me. For the sake of the coaching staff I certainly hope they get to the bottom of this issue quickly and rectify the situation. And quite frankly, if the information comes out that they did do the alleged claims they would need to be removed from coaching.

don't know lambert but looked him up and he has been at 6 different schools in a 9 year coaching career...and one school twice, so that makes 7 different moves in 9 years. The guy certainly does not stick anywhere for long.