Coaches Eye wrote:
That means the coach would one of the following:
1. Salazar
2. Mackey
3. Simmons
4. Mahon
5. Troop
I don't see Spence being on Salazar's radar. Anyone know which of these coaches was at the race?
Coaches Eye wrote:
That means the coach would one of the following:
1. Salazar
2. Mackey
3. Simmons
4. Mahon
5. Troop
I don't see Spence being on Salazar's radar. Anyone know which of these coaches was at the race?
Salazar wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole. She's talented but not up to the likes of Rowbury, Hasay, Mosier etc... Seems to me she likes to get her way on how things go and knowing how the Hansons roll they didn't go for it. Desiree is an exception because she has a nose to the grindstone work ethic and doesn't parade around all these stupid prediction contests. I think she should have gone to Schumacher or even Hudson the first time around or just stayed with her Dad
Grosse Pointe Blanke wrote:
Salazar wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole. She's talented but not up to the likes of Rowbury, Hasay, Mosier etc... Seems to me she likes to get her way on how things go and knowing how the Hansons roll they didn't go for it. Desiree is an exception because she has a nose to the grindstone work ethic and doesn't parade around all these stupid prediction contests. I think she should have gone to Schumacher or even Hudson the first time around or just stayed with her Dad
The coaches he listed were the ones that had women finish top 10 at the Club Nats. This is in reference to the classles poster claiming to have finished top 10 and bashing Neely.
She won't have the choices she had on the first go around. Also, the surgery she had wasn't minor. She hopefully will consider going back to what worked.
This is EXACTLY how Kevin Hanson rolls:
pbj preserves wrote:
A breakdown of some of the tactics being used in posts on this thread (see below)
Classic shadow projection (I'm secure, she's insecure)
Projecting one's own insecurities about emotional vulnerability onto another. If someone is emotionally vulnerable, then someone who is emotionally stable (i.e. secure) might seek to support the person. Instead, through projection, the supposedly "emotionally stable" person spreads vitriol in public in a proselytizing attempt to "warn" the unseeing masses to their great insight. Important to note that the projector is afraid of their insecurity in the big world (shadow), and therefore the perceived insecurity of another draws their explosive wrath (projection).
Demonizing of "emotional woman"
See quotes below for a classic, dime-a-dozen demonizing of an actual person, in most cases a woman ("emotional car wreck woman who can't count to 4"). The (presumably male) posters and their 'pack' are, of course, emotionally stable. The Hansons are emotionally stable. The whole world is emotionally stable... except Neely Spence. Oh, and...
Diminishing statements about those tangentially connected to the evil-doer ("daddy and DB and Kevin Hanson")
"Daddy and Mommy coddled her" (unlike me, who didn't need coddling from mommy and daddy). "I warned Kevin Hanson, who then defended her" (a real man wouldn't tolerate mistakes in another person, especially an emotional woman). "Her DB husband is a huge negative in her life" (while I am a huge positive contributor to society with my comments). "Her teammates don't like her" (when I feel entitled, like a concentration camp guard, to degrade a type of person, then I will gather a mass opinion to back me up in an effort to destroy my projected enemy. "Nobody likes that [insert diminishing derogatory phrase here], which is proof that we should continue to righteously treat them badly")
Over-blown criticism of a developing adolescent
While in literally every myth a hero has to suffer greatly before achieving something of true value, these critics can achieve no meta-perspective on the possible value of Neely having ups and downs. Jenny Simpson also dramatically blew up at NCAAs and cried. She has also switched coaches. She has also succeeded. Ryan Hall has had blow-ups (underperformed at 2005 NCAAs) and great successes. The posters are "splitting" the world into "good and bad", because they are insecure and can't handle the ambiguity. "She's either going to run great or run bad and cry with excuses." Much more societally acceptable to bash and stereotype a woman adolescent, because the poster (another insecure, mortal human) is afraid of a) expressing emotions publicly ("like a girl"), b) reaching greatness and therefore intensified public scrutiny (fear of inner shaming, i.e. 'believing the outer critic who bashes you for trying to win but not winning'), c) the fact that our performances are inconsistent (and adolescents, as 'between-child-and-adults', are the best screens for adults to project their insecurities about our body and mind inconsistencies. 'I need to go to work every day and achieve. Look at this girl/woman who shows me how erratic my experience can be. I must distance myself from her.')
quote 1
A great big world wrote:Home Schooled socially awkward girl could not leave home to go to college so she stayed home and ran for daddy. Had some sort of mental break down when getting beat in D2 Nationals which I thought was a huge warning sign.
I warned Kevin Hanson that she was not mentally stable. He liked her and said that she was a "good kid". He even defended her inability to count to 4 last weekend. I wonder if he will remain her defender?
Not popular amongst all of the other Hansons runners. Her husband is a DB and a huge negative in her life.
quote 2
I finished in the top 10 at Club Nats in December. When my coach and I went over the competition he said of Neely she will either run great or be crying with an excuse at the finish line. She always has an excuse. That is exactly what happened. She finished out of the top 10 and was all tears. We watched her this last weekend on USATFTV and at the halfway point leading, my coach said "is there going to be an excuse or is today her day?" She dropped out in tears blaming the bell ringer.
The bell ringer supposedly did inadvertently ring the bell one lap too early. The race officials did respond by going to the end of the finish branch to make sure no one tried to finish a lap early. One girl tried to argue with them, and quit running when she became convinced she had another lap to go. She was the only one. ALL the other athletes knew they had another lap.
I always thought Hansons was a bad choice for her. I realize she likes Brooks shoes and liked the idea of a small tight-knit group similar to her PA town but she is a 5-10K specialist in a marathon training group. Add that along with her ongoing healthy issues (Lyme disease, injuries, etc.) and it was bound to be a bad combination. I'm surprised her father didn't sway her from this group that is well known to have a sink or swim attitude.
She is a talented runner but the poster who said her options are more limited than they were her first look around was spot on.
As far as Salazar coaching her? Not a chance. He has no problem letting go HEALTHY star athletes. He isn't going to take even a glance at an unhealthy, B level runner, who can't count to four.
No doubt wrote:
As far as Salazar coaching her? Not a chance. He has no problem letting go HEALTHY star athletes. He isn't going to take even a glance at an unhealthy, B level runner, who can't count to four.
Isn't Boulder a long ways from Portland? Maybe you ought to check a map. Nothing said about her going to Portland.
Nevertheless, posts like this are why I love it when the NOPers get beat, even though the team is stacked.
Is there any actual proof of her departure from Hanson's besides her removal of it from social media? Like an interview or comment from those parties involved in this? Neely, Brooks, Hansons, her agent? I could see if relocating to Houston to be with her husband and either be coached by Dillion or Magness.
I can confirm she is no longer with Hansons.
Sometimes, despite the best intentions of all involved, professional relationships don't work.
There is no story here, I am amazed this thread keeps progressing.
Sal coaching her? That's a joke right?
90% chance her new coach is going to be or already is Steve Magness.
News to children: adults sometimes disagree and move apart.
Hansons is a great program, turning bucketloads of low profile runners into Olympic Trials qualifiers every year. Name one other program with as many marathon OT qualifiers. And the big successes have been a 2:22 woman and an Olympic qualifier man who ran 10+ 2M in high school.
As for Spence Gracey, she's been a very good runner, not on the level of Flanagan but very good, and she ran well today at the Gasparilla Half in 1:12:38 for second just a few seconds behind the ageless Jen Rhines. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spence breaking 2:30 in the marathon after some time at altitude in Colorado. She's not always performed perfectly. So what?
jjjjjjj wrote:
Name one other program with as many marathon OT qualifiers...
Bill Squires and the Boston Track Club, Club Northwest, Brad Hudson, Impalas in the Bay Area...
Sick burn
http://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/569976224182878208
@hansonsrun: Those that truly understand "team" always achieve more as an "individual".
That must be why Desi goes to Kenya during the winter.
road rashed wrote:
Sick burn
http://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/569976224182878208@hansonsrun: Those that truly understand "team" always achieve more as an "individual".
Typical Kevin Hanson
road rashed wrote:
Sick burn
http://twitter.com/hansonsrun/status/569976224182878208@hansonsrun: Those that truly understand "team" always achieve more as an "individual".
This is a cornerstone of Kevin and Keith's program. They believe in the process of working hard as a team, in crap weather, with no excuses. Certain runners succeed very well under this kind of training, but those who don't fit the mold don't last very long. Kevin has never been shy about his philosophy and it seems that Spence came in thinking she would be able to mold K&K's philosophy to her liking, and it didn't pan out very well. It shouldn't have been some big surprise to Spence when she arrived to the program that K&K would want her to actually train with the team for consecutive months at a time, instead of spending winters in Colorado. It's not surprising she left when she could no longer mold their training and philosophy to meet her own individual needs. Say what you want about Michigan, but Kevin at least sticks to his word.
MSU4u wrote:
This is a cornerstone of Kevin and Keith's program. They believe in the process of working hard as a team, in crap weather, with no excuses. Certain runners succeed very well under this kind of training, but those who don't fit the mold don't last very long. Kevin has never been shy about his philosophy and it seems that Spence came in thinking she would be able to mold K&K's philosophy to her liking, and it didn't pan out very well. It shouldn't have been some big surprise to Spence when she arrived to the program that K&K would want her to actually train with the team for consecutive months at a time, instead of spending winters in Colorado. It's not surprising she left when she could no longer mold their training and philosophy to meet her own individual needs. Say what you want about Michigan, but Kevin at least sticks to his word.
But he doesn't.
Desi trains on her own, by herself. Is gone for multiple months.
If your big idea is team, then apply it to everyone. The super studs can't be excluded.
wrongahead wrote:
MSU4u wrote:This is a cornerstone of Kevin and Keith's program. They believe in the process of working hard as a team, in crap weather, with no excuses. Certain runners succeed very well under this kind of training, but those who don't fit the mold don't last very long. Kevin has never been shy about his philosophy and it seems that Spence came in thinking she would be able to mold K&K's philosophy to her liking, and it didn't pan out very well. It shouldn't have been some big surprise to Spence when she arrived to the program that K&K would want her to actually train with the team for consecutive months at a time, instead of spending winters in Colorado. It's not surprising she left when she could no longer mold their training and philosophy to meet her own individual needs. Say what you want about Michigan, but Kevin at least sticks to his word.
But he doesn't.
Desi trains on her own, by herself. Is gone for multiple months.
If your big idea is team, then apply it to everyone. The super studs can't be excluded.
Desi runs the marathon. The marathon is not a team sport.
Unless someone has an inside track to the Hanson's they likely have no idea what the tweet was in reference to. Maybe Keith or Kevin had just come back from watching McFarland and was referencing Cross Country. It is simple guess work whether this tweet was aimed at Spence.