I feel like I've read these exact discussions before.
Oh right, it was in every Jim Ryun thread on this message board over the last several years.
I feel like I've read these exact discussions before.
Oh right, it was in every Jim Ryun thread on this message board over the last several years.
logician wrote:
I feel like I've read these exact discussions before.
Oh right, it was in every Jim Ryun thread on this message board over the last several years.
Yeah, and most of them started by Ventolin. He likes to repeat the same exaggeration and fantasies on a near weekly basis.
Peer Mediator wrote:
logician wrote:I feel like I've read these exact discussions before.
Oh right, it was in every Jim Ryun thread on this message board over the last several years.
Yeah, and most of them started by Ventolin. He likes to repeat the same exaggeration and fantasies on a near weekly basis.
woooosh
utter drivel
i give unbiased opinions on all guys
nonsense
Ryun's 11.6/36.5 in a 3'38 doesn't need anyone comments to look better
quoting nonsense stats like coe's 24+ in 1'47 is utter nonsense stat
kip probably went 24+ in a 1'42.7 !!!
it's you with nonsense stats
it is you without a clue
as long as no outrageous early laps, it comes down to basics in slow 1500s
final time & the finish
Ryun's 36.5 in a 3'38 on dirt crushes coe's 38.7 in a slower 3'38 on synthetic
because he hadn't a clue what straub had left
only a guy with no confidence woud wait until last 100 when straub's efforts caught up with him
he'd already got whupped in 800 where his "best" finishing speed coudn't get him gold, so anyone with a clue watching the 1500 expected him to go from 300 or 400 out
no
any grown up watching race expected coe to go at 300 or 400 but he didn't
no
it was a 12.2 & 12.2 finish is far from amazing when Ryun averaged better than that for 3 times the distance in a faster time on dirt !!!
does this fact not register in your peabrain ???
what part of your numbskull can't comprehend straub, a nobody, beat ovett, the 800 champ in effectively a 800 race
straub a guy with no 800pb of any significance whupped ovett, the 800 champ in an effective 800
straub never ever broke 1'46 in his life !!!
if that doesn't tell you how poor ovett ran, obviously you have less clue than imagineable
drivel
nor did coe
he ran 12.2
as for Ryun's olympic record, only a complete fool coud ask that :
in '64 he was 17y !!!
he went for nothing but experience
in '68 he was past his peak but still came 2nd & beat the non-african world by over 1s
in '72 after having retired for 1y in that cycle, he came as perhaps favourite but tripped by some chump in heats
no he didn't win 2 boycott games golds
he ran in games with everyone there
utterly clueless
he was past his peak in '68 & '72 & just missed out in trials
he didn't have luxury of coe getting discetionary slot on the team as in '84 over 1500
Ryun wasn't picked for either '68 or '72 800 despite being wr holder
he was past his peak & misjudged his 800s
No middle distance runner that has ever lived or will ever live could match Lord Coe in a race over any distance. Not one!
No one cares about Jim Ryun being poorly trained and having such terrible luck. I don't care about his potential.
I don't care about Hicham El Guerrouj tripping, or being nudged out by some doped Kenyan in 2000. It doesn't matter. Coe would have run the last 100 meters of that race in 10.8 and left the sand eater and jungle savages in the dust.
ventolin^3 wrote:
i give unbiased opinions on all guys
utter drivel
what part of your numbskull can't comprehend that you are totally biased?
ventolin^3 wrote:
only a guy with no confidence woud wait until last 100 when straub's efforts caught up with him
nonsense
a guy with ultimate confidence would not have a problem waiting for the last 100m
& bile was nowhere like his '87 form where he destroyed cram with ~ 1'46 finish in a 3'36 !
& a past his peak bile ran 37.6 with whole last bend run wide & with his feet on lane 2 line at time
nonsense
vid shows bile was past him & coe tried to come thru the gap & clashed elbows
no
bile was middle/outter lane 1 at the time
coe had plenty of gap to go thru but went wide, clashing ebows
utter drivel
fool
that is evidence
he had 8 more goes in '81 & coudn't crack 1'45 in a pure 800 !!!
i see your peabrain can't think at all
coe went 1'43.3 that year
bile went 1'43.6 & beat him in a sprint over last 300 & 400 as behind at bell in a slowish race
to anyone with a clue, that woud indicate bile had better 800 speed at the time than coe, so 1'43.6 was not representative of his 800 ability in '89
& bile ran 3'30.5 in '89
he looked in 3'27/3'28 shape when crushing cram
he wouda been faster in '87 than '89 for 800 as he ran 800s of 1500 ability
bile looked in something like 1'42-mid shape in '87
he lost his 2 biggest 800s that year to the awesome billy, who looked in 1'42-flat shape at worst that year, but saved his peak for rome
both bile & billy had peak career form in rome
& coe got hammered in a sprint in a slow race
therefore bile had better speed in '89 than coe & therefore almost certain a quicker 800 runner than coe back then
utter drivel
bile of '87wc looked in 3'27/3'28 shape
coe was never in that shape
no
it doesn't compare to a 11.6 in a 3'38 on dirt & the dusseldorf race was biggest 1500 race of that year
because it makes coes 24+ in a 1'47 look pathetic
only a fool coud post an embarassing 24+ in a 1'47 when kip ran 24+ in a 1'42.7 !!!
impressive ???
only a fool coud call it just impressive
it is best damn kick in an actual 800ever
no one has ever kicked 24+ in a sub-1'43
utter nonsense
11.3 in a 1'47 is a nonense stat as i doubt less than 10% of all 800s have had the last 100 clocked
guys like caballo or everett wouda destroyed an 11.3 in a 1'47 at their peak
but no one in their right mind went looking for 100m splits in slow 800s except a delusional
nonsense
most 800s have their last 200 recorded
few 800s have their last 100 recorded
a 24+ in a 1'42.7 is on a different planet from an 11.3 in a 1'47
& drafted to 700m always trying to shadow cram
no
with drafting, works out more like a 24.5 in a 1'43.9
utter drivel
it's not on same planet as kip
complete utter drivel
why on earth can't your peabrain not give full facts ???
kip ran 1'42.77 with 52.0/50.7 just 3/7 after an absolutely astonishing 1'41.2wr off suicidal 23.0/48.3 !!!
that 3/7 gap is same as rounds, moreso that he blasted the 1st race took an airplane & then ran another race 3/7 later
his legs musta been still like jelly in monaco but he still went 52.0/50.7 !!!
coe's rounds don't compare
Serious question, ventolin^3: are you or were you ever a runner?
It doesn't change my opinion of you but it would definitely help me understand your views.
One of the best coaches I know was never a runner and yet he loves the sport and studies it - and he is able to put his passion and knowledge together to coach well.
How would he find the time to run? His madness is a full time thing.
ventolin^3 wrote:
kip ran 1'42.77 with 52.0/50.7 just 3/7 after an absolutely astonishing 1'41.2wr off suicidal 23.0/48.3 !!!
that 3/7 gap is same as rounds, moreso that he blasted the 1st race took an airplane & then ran another race 3/7 later
Another serious question ... Ventolin^3, why don't you write "3 days" instead of "3/7", or "1 week" instead of 1/52"? It's not as if you you're pressed for time, given how long your posts are. If you just stopped calling people "morons" and "peabrains", and dropped the ridiculous hyperbole like "suicidal", "quagmire" etc, you wouldn't need to use abbreviations like "3/52", etc to gain a few milliseconds here and there.
Marty McFly wrote:
ol horrible legs wrote:Wait wait wait - Ventolin is KENYAN??
Welcome to yesterdays news.
It would explain why his written English is so terrible.
SMJO wrote:
How would he find the time to run? His madness is a full time thing.
He and Deano. Madmen. In the worst sense.
Peer Mediator wrote:Yeah, and most of them started by Ventolin. He likes to repeat the same exaggeration and fantasies on a near weekly basis.
moron
we just seen part of Ryun's incredible finish on youtube
what on earth can't your peabrain understand about 11.6/36.5 in a 3'38.2 on dirt ???
King Arthur wrote:a guy with ultimate confidence would not have a problem waiting for the last 100m
it appears an idiot can occasionally stumble onto gold
how come hicham tried every other tactic in his life other than than last 100 kick ???
after all, the guy kicked end his 3'26.00 a
53.2 !!!
Peer Mediator wrote:
If he can look at the time on the clock and work out Ryun's last 90m , then we can figure out his last 100m
I timed both versions of the race from this mark which probably is the 90m mark.
In the YouTube version it's little bit difficult, because of the camera angle at the finish (and also the cut almost directly when he reaches the 90m mark). Comparing with the other one it's seems to be something like 11,3s.
In the other one it's around 11,5 - something like 12,8 for the last 100m.
So his last 300m could be something like: 11,6 - 12,1 - 12,8 (but could also 11,8 - 11,9 - 12,8 or 11,8 - 12,0 - 12,8 or...).
But I really can't conclude the first 100m (I considered even the start of the 200m race little bit later, bit it's difficult). Still, I think this finish of Ryun is unique and no other 1500m race which I have seen so far is comparable in quality to this one. (I really can't see how Aouita should have managed this reported 36,14 in Grossetto, but so I have thought about Ryun...).
But I also want to say that your acting regarding Coe Peer is very similar to what Deano always is doing, trying to find any possible way to lift up Coe's performances and capabilities and simultaneously reduce performances of all other runners which seem to have performances close to or better than Coe's.
A point which illustrates this very good in my opinion is your quote of the "old man" Coe at the World Cup in '89. He was not 33, he was 32 (yes, 4 weeks short of 33 is called 32). And yes, this really is not very important, but it just illustrates my point very good.
Your opinion is fixed before, regardless of the exact subject: you try to find arguments for Coe and against any opponent. For sure both of you are free to do what you like, but it just didn't occur(?) very proud.
Not to speak at all about long "conversations" with the oldman^3, which where to be proved always meaningless for at least 100 times in this forum (not to talk at all, that I don't think any person is happy to be called by bad names constantly).
Both of you seem to be respectful persons and I don't want to attack you at all, but it's just getting boring when the opinion is fixed before (even to the extent that one of you just turns over some pure facts to the complete opposite when it's favouring Coe).
This single race now has taken enough time I would say and I don't think I will "study" it again (Jim Ryun is not even one of my favoured runners).
For sure I talked about the quality of the finish of Ryun's race (not the race at all). For sure he would have had no chance against a Hicham El Guerrouj in world record form with some rabbits and probably also some other runners.
said88 wrote:
This single race now has taken enough time I would say and I don't think I will "study" it again (Jim Ryun is not even one of my favoured runners).
Ventolin is either going to go off the deep end if you don't repeatedly describe this race ad nauseum or he's going to write a fawning, obsequious post like he did when drewr posted.
Or both.
said88 wrote:For sure I talked about the quality of the finish of Ryun's race (not the race at all). For sure he would have had no chance against a Hicham El Guerrouj in world record form with some rabbits and probably also some other runners.
interesting
bernie ran him close in brussels with 3'26-low
then you forget to consider noah in reiti 1k
he'd run a 3'29.1 in brussels, got on planes & had to take at least 2 planes total to get to rieti to race in
~ 40 hours
totally unrested, 2 plane journeys + car to get to rieti
in race, he starts out wide, possibly in lane 2 at points, knocking off at least 0.4s off his 2'11.96
2'11.5+ there aleady
he actually split an outrageous 49.8+ with his ~ 3m extra run there
so
49.4+
for lane 1 which he couda expected but didn't get
start in a 1k off jet-lagged legs with 3'29.1 win 40 hours ago
it's a total miracle he hung on for 2'11.96 !!!
fully rested, with perfect race of either 800/1500 that day, he shoud been looking at
1'41-low/mid / 3'25-mid
i only mention this because noah's circumstances/race indicate actual greatest ever combined 800/1500 synthetic track guy & woud have 1500wr today if he'd skipped brussels & target rieti instead & got 2'31 to bell or if he'd run 800 that day he wouda been into 1'41-low/mid but shy of kip's wr, but not kip level talent who had to be 1'40-mid in his suicidal 23.0/48.3 zurich 1'41.24
do you consider noah in same category as Ryun talent ?
webbmaster is back wrote:
ISBN wrote:No different to what Snell, Coe, Ovett, Aouita, Morceli have done in different paced races at different points over the last lap. They all threw down 100 m bursts in about 12 secs flat.
None of those runners did anything close to what Ryun did in this race. Let alone on a dirt track.
You are right they all won gold
The video cuts about 100m out so that 36.5 time is way off
a "genius" arrives
your peabrain worked out how mo's 12.9 on superstars -> 50.8+ split -> 3'28.8 ?!