Suspect signs of doping

Dear "Just Sayin"

Why did you change what I wrote? And what does "fyp" stand for?

Sincerely...

that zatopek thing is a clone from another forum

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The commentators at New Balance just said Mary Cain "doesn't even look like she's running hard."

String her up, she's guilty

Now they said Jenn Suhr has been getting "much stronger in the weight room"

Guilty...

OP and others are using humor and sarcasm to brainwash us away from hard, painful truth that American and European athletes are the most common users of PEDs.

Look at Armstrong, Landis.

just sayin wrote:

that zatopek thing is a clone from another forum

pops up regular enough

It's not a clone. I'm the author of it on the other board. I copied and pasted because it was relevant here. Not sure where the imposter thing is coming from.

Couldn't agree more with OP. Probably many athletes are doping, but I don't think that in general we have the information to know which ones.

Sadly, the trend continues as athletes get older. So many masters athletes (men and women) are doping. Their methods are not as sophisticated as those of elites, but they only test at national and world competitions. I can understand the temptation for elites to dope since a paycheck is on the line. For most masters (at least in the track and field arena) there is no cash, only ego. For distance running however (Eddy H) there is enough cash to make doping a temptation. Having said that, go to a national or world meet and make note of the athletes age 40 and up who are sporting muscles of a 20 year old and putting up "ageless" performances. If it walks and quacks like a duck...

Creeps me out wrote:

Sadly, the trend continues as athletes get older. So many masters athletes (men and women) are doping. Their methods are not as sophisticated as those of elites, but they only test at national and world competitions. I can understand the temptation for elites to dope since a paycheck is on the line. For most masters (at least in the track and field arena) there is no cash, only ego. For distance running however (Eddy H) there is enough cash to make doping a temptation. Having said that, go to a national or world meet and make note of the athletes age 40 and up who are sporting muscles of a 20 year old and putting up "ageless" performances. If it walks and quacks like a duck...

With the huge push on Androgel right now and so many guys 40+ have prescriptions, I'm left to wonder what the effect will be on HS sports.

Sudden easy access to synthetic testosterone via their dads and nearly non-existent testing would a be a dream come true for many a HS football player on the bubble for that DI scholarship.

Paavo Nurmi was using testosterone in the 1920s. Bannister, Snell, Elliot were all likely on it as well. It as a well-known 'tonic' for improving athletic performance among Europeans for decades prior to and after WW II.

The Nazis used to augment aggression and performance in their troops.

Look at pictures of Bannister, Brasher during the 1950s, incredibly thick and well-muscled for Brit runners in the 1950s when noone knew about protein-based diets, weightlifting and all these guys were doing was running. Most runners who don't lift are thin, cachectic sticks, being well-muscled is almost always a sign of test of use (unless we are talking about sprinters or people who spend alot of time in the weightroom).

Sorry. I suspect all of our records are tainted.

Adlerblick wrote:

Paavo Nurmi was using testosterone in the 1920s.

Do you have a source for this? I've never heard that before, and this says testosterone wasn't synthesized until 1935.

Great documentary on the use of PEDs among T&F US (and other) athletes in the 1980s.

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aeWQA8J9Nw

If you haven't got the attention span to watch the whole thing, watch the bit about the USOC's systemic cheating before the 1984 Olympics 17 minutes in.

It's not a documentary, it's a film.

paavo nurmi and rejuven

You really don't remember Lagat having the gap in his teeth? And even more hilarious, don't believe all of the pictures out there where Lagat has a gap in his teeth?

EPO users have a reddish/orangish "glow" to their skin, and it's not due to tanning. Easy to spot if you know what it looks like.

Adlerblick wrote:

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-13/sports/sp-9075_1_paavo-nurmi

paavo nurmi and rejuven

Thanks. However, I'm still highly skeptical that Rejuven "contained testosterone" when testosterone wasn't even isolated and synthesized for at least another decade.

LM,

JR routinely posts on here and his "big thing" is that epo doesn't help you run faster. He denies that drugs do anything.

Zat0pek wrote:

Adlerblick wrote:http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-13/sports/sp-9075_1_paavo-nurmi

paavo nurmi and rejuven

Thanks. However, I'm still highly skeptical that Rejuven "contained testosterone" when testosterone wasn't even isolated and synthesized for at least another decade.

Here is a more thorough paper containing a lot more details on Rejuven and Nurmi (very interesting, I did not know a lot of stuff in that article):