CAIN GOES PRO

she will go to college in the town with her training partners. Which group is she with? Where do they train?

didn't Coach Salazar shop Rupp to Portland prior to his 4 years at OU?

unless altitude living comes into play...

I remember reading in Duel in the Sun that Alberto hated the drive out to Eugene to coach Galen while he was at Oregon. Portland's a hell of a lot of closer and will allow her to be with her team as much as possible. The only disappointing thing for Mary: isn't U of O a better school than Portland? I don't much about schools in the Northwest, so don't attack me if I'm wrong.

Sorry if someone already posted this, but where is Mary Cain going to attend college? I've been hearing Portland and Oregon.

tisktisk wrote:

I really don't think this is a good idea. Look what happened to Webb after going pro in college.

I think she should just enjoy being a collegiate runner. Those are four years of her life she'll never be able to have. And she has the rest of her life to go pro.

And it's not like she wouldn't have any competition in the NCAA. Sure, she might find better competition in the pro world, but she sure as hell wouldn't be alone in a college race.

It's a shame that she's rushing into being a pro. I hope it all works out for her. I hope she never regrets not having a normal childhood experience, but I think she will.

In retrospect, Cain may have had only two choices: stay at home and go to Columbia or stay with the Salazars, or near them, and go to a school in Portland. Reed was out; she could not possibly fit in. I don't think Cain has the social experience to be comfortable in a hormone laden atmosphere that is found in the usual suspect schools. Like actors in their element, Cain is most alive running and in competition. After that she is alive as a student/competitor. She is always a competitor. She has that fire in her belly.

As for regrets about not having a normal childhood experience, she cannot very well start getting that experience now. She must already know she is paying a price for her "genius" in athletics. She will be, or already is, philosophical about this. She could not be Mary and be normal as others are normal.

If she visited any of the Ivies other than Columbia, I think Admissions would be reluctant giving her a yes. Cain needs the comfort and protection of family. Having a ball at Harvard or Stanford or Oregon? I don't think that is Cain at all.

now listen here wrote:

sc runner wrote:

I'm a little bit surprised as I thought she would run for Oregon, but I think she's making the right decision. Collegiate running would have been a waste of time for her even with Salazar still coaching her like Galen Rupp. For the person who wonders where she will go to college, I would imagine it would be Oregon State, since it's in the same town as Nike headquarters.

Trolling? Or do you think Oregon State (the Beavers) is in Beaverton?

Oops, my bad.

8/10 thought you were serious for a second or two

It really appears as if most of you have never coached. Comparing a talented, young female athlete to men in terms of development in addition to the depth of competition across the genders as if they were equal concepts is completely ignorant. You can't comprehend her decisions much past the headlines? This sport has a very shallow following on this website.

Where your dreams come true.....

tisktisk wrote:

Look what happened to Webb after going pro in college.

Look what happened to Allyson Felix.

Look what happened to Usain Bolt.

Look what happened to Haile Gebrselassie.

None seem worse for not having competed collegiately.

'Loan' is actually a noun, and 'lend' is the corresponding verb. But what do you think 'healers' means?

UP! wrote:

"At the University of Portland, we want to inspire lives that transcend success to achieve real meaning.

Because today the world needs heroes. People with not just the smarts to succeed but the heart to know

what that really means.

Loan us your sons and daughters. We will give you back scholars and engineers, educators and healers, entrepreneurs and world-class athletes who measure greatness with the appropriate dose of goodness."---UP website.

They smear it on thick.

2loan transitive verb

: to give (something) to (someone) for a period of time

: to give (money) to (someone) who agrees to pay it back in the future

Full Definition of LOAN

: lend

— loan·able adjective

Usage Discussion of LOAN

The verb loan is one of the words English settlers brought to America and continued to use after it had died out in Britain. Its use was soon noticed by British visitors and somewhat later by the New England literati, who considered it a bit provincial. It was flatly declared wrong in 1870 by a popular commentator, who based his objection on etymology. A later scholar showed that the commentator was ignorant of Old English and thus unsound in his objection, but by then it was too late, as the condemnation had been picked up by many other commentators. Although a surprising number of critics still voice objections, loan is entirely standard as a verb.

Mary made the right choice. Accepting a college scholarship for running would oblige her to compete at events important to the college running program, and oblige her to peak long before the U.S. and World Championships.

But staying out of college running will allow her to train towards international competition, and also to pick and choose the events to compete in as she works towards specific goals for the season.

The saddest thing this whole discussion is the preoccupation so many people have with their right to their opinion and stating that opinion on what Cain (or Hadley for that matter) should do. instead of supporting and being happy for a teenagers passion for the sport.

Our sport grows and flourishes if we get more teens passionate about the sport. Kids like Mary Cain and Alana Hadley have that passion and exude it. It's a shame that so many posters here and in local clubs can't see that and embrace that simply because these kids aren't pursuing the sport exactly like they want then to. Even more sad that in all the positives for Cain's interview, Letsrun posts the one quote they don't like and Rojjo calls Hadley's decision the all-time stupidest thing he ever heard of. Letsrun isn't promoting a passion for the sport, in these instances, just tearing down anyone who doesn't see it or do it their way.

ooo wrote:

Mick Lovin wrote:

I'm in the minority here .

I think a chance for a college experience is something special. Friends and experiences for life. I know I'll take a beating from some. But, she would become a more than a phenom while at University of Oregon.

I get that she can still go to college with the money she makes, etc etc. But, I really think she would have had a great time, even if it was just one year.

Go ahead, reply with vengance.

Why do people act like going to college is the only way to get friends and experiences for life?

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Not sure what you are referring to. I said as seen above, would give her a COLLEGE experience of COLLEGE xc, track, friends, etc. She could even run for one lousy year.

The world is full of hypocrits. They do things like this for MONEY, nothing else. Then, 8 years from now she does a commercial, saying "I didn't do it for the money..."

Riiiigggght

Mick Lovin wrote:

Not sure what you are referring to. I said as seen above, would give her a COLLEGE experience of COLLEGE xc, track, friends, etc. She could even run for one lousy year.

The world is full of hypocrits. They do things like this for MONEY, nothing else. Then, 8 years from now she does a commercial, saying "I didn't do it for the money..."

Riiiigggght

Allyson Felix

Usain Bolt

Haile Gebrselassie

David Rudisha

Didn't they all do just fine taking the money when they could?

Montesquieu wrote:

'Loan' is actually a noun, and 'lend' is the corresponding verb. But what do you think 'healers' means?

UP! wrote:

"At the University of Portland, we want to inspire lives that transcend success to achieve real meaning.

Because today the world needs heroes. People with not just the smarts to succeed but the heart to know

what that really means.

Loan us your sons and daughters. We will give you back scholars and engineers, educators and healers, entrepreneurs and world-class athletes who measure greatness with the appropriate dose of goodness."---UP website.

They smear it on thick.

Come on, Monte. Are you asking me? I am a mortal. UP advertising copy is meant to be transcendental, to pick up on a word used earlier by UP. UP wants it to mean all things to all parents and prospective students. Surely, you can appreciate the beauty in this. UP copy SOARS. I hear Beethoven's Ninth in the background.

UP may have had in mind its Supreme Healer, Jesus. UP wants to put a little of Jesus in all of us, Christian or not.

If I were to edit the copy I would omit "goodness" at the end and substitute "godliness."

My cousin recently won the championship in chess at Sing Sing state correctional facility. What's your point?

SW00SH wrote:

They have no one in the school system who would not get destroyed by poor kids in the South Bronx in chess -- poor kids with single Moms, who recently won the national championship. No, they can't live in Bronxville, and if these kids walked down a street there they'd get hauled in by the cops.

Joe Q Puplic wrote:

My cousin recently won the championship in chess at Sing Sing state correctional facility. What's your point?

SW00SH wrote:

They have no one in the school system who would not get destroyed by poor kids in the South Bronx in chess -- poor kids with single Moms, who recently won the national championship. No, they can't live in Bronxville, and if these kids walked down a street there they'd get hauled in by the cops.

What is YOUR point? Tell your cousin to wise up and limit his life of crime to federal offenses. At federal prisons he will get better competition. Those white collar dudes are pretty sharp.

andy dufresne wrote:

Yeah. It will still be interesting to see where she decides to go to college, as she'll be training there for the next 4 years.

LOL. No top notch college will touch her now that she will not be willing to run for the college. Maybe an Oregon will because of their relationship with Nike, which will undoubtedly pick her up as a pro.

What a shame. She is foregoing a top ivy education at a place like Princeton, with all of the advantages that attach thereto, for the fleeting glory of a pro running career. Sad. She could have developed a plenty running collegiate for a place like Princeton.

And those are years that she will just not ever get back.

Am I wrong?

As a volunteer STEM tutor I find most undergrads have 2 basic hurdles to overcome.

1) Having enough money for a stable life with enough time to study

2) Learning to be an adult, to think and process information independently, versus learned methods in high school. (Introductory AP, SAT/ACT standardized tests, and GPA chasing doesn't work in college).

Many options exist today for Cain. She can take undergrad at a JC or take online full credit classes. It's all the same in the US anyways for the first four years of college. The big challenge at her age are 1) and 2).