At last the tide of public opinion has turned in my favor.
At last the tide of public opinion has turned in my favor.
Yes it has, for the stupid and inept.
jamin wrote:
For anyone who has read the entire Kip Litton thread, you'd know that there was one point where someone mentioned a rumor that Kip had been disciplined at his med school for cheating. We should investigate this more.
There's also a post on The study of kip litton blog in the comments section about how Kip was involved in a litigation suit and may have been forced to file for bankruptcy . We should look into that as well.
Has nothing to do with the internet haters. Like many of us, Dr. Litton is suffering from a bum achilles.
quit just like that? wrote:
Why hasn't this fellow raced for the last 3 years?
IQ 199 wrote:
Yes it has, for the stupid and inept.
Dan Baxley (MBA from a top school) believes he is innocent
lie detector guy3 wrote:
... what a pathetic life you lead, one that makes a moron look smart.
Thank you. It's not often I look smart.
David Baxley (PhD from Wharton School of Business) believes he is guilty. Checkmate you maggot troll.
David Baxley (PhD from Wharton School of Business) believes he is guilty. Checkmate you maggot troll.
Update, he still thinks he's guilty.
We are talking about DAN Baxley, Vice President at oneEarth financial. I think he went to Kellogg MBA school or university of Chicago, I forget
IQ 199 wrote:
Yes it has, for the stupid and inept.
Kip Litton is the father of my children
And if he really exists, what does that have to do with the facts? That's what I thought Kip.
Hoax? No, a big lie for no other reason than to impress people around him.
Heck, he allegedly even cheated on a damn relay! Do you think he really got lost? I bet dimes to dollars that he teammates know the truth.
You don't get lost running a leg of the marathon in Detroit, it DOESN'T HAPPEN! I've ran the whole marathon there as far back when I was 18, why didn't I get lost?
A rebuttal with logic.
That's what I thought, no answer.
Case closed.
Perhapss wrote:
We are talking about DAN Baxley, Vice President at oneEarth financial. I think he went to Kellogg MBA school or university of Chicago, I forget
IQ 199 wrote:Yes it has, for the stupid and inept.
He's an idiot. Comes from upbringing. Parents are probably idiots too...
http://youtu.be/yau7Z3vMBo0This is an open letter to all those who have kept tabs on this debacle. It is the closest thing to truth and reality that you will ever read. The reason for this is that it is coming from those that are closest to the actual events, unlike the predictable regurgitated crap on Lets Run that comes from odd-balls who have little or no connection at all to Kip. I am one of a number of Kip's friends who have had extensive group discussions with Kip, his wife, his kids and fellow runners. He has also shared with us emails and an audio recording of his interview with Mark Singer. The vast majority of what we have read online is inundated with glaring errors, deception and misinformation. The reason for this, in large part, is simply because the online point of view is coming mainly from people who have never even had any meaningful contact with those involved.
From the beginning Kip has been steadfast that he has nothing to hide and would talk to anyone about anything. His only condition was that it was not in a forum where people could remain anonymous. When we hear things like "Kip isn't talking", it is 100% false- he has always been open and forthright. We have grilled him and his family on many of the issues raised here on Lets Run. He has been open and transparent with all explanations, and his family has independently confirmed them. Just because YOU have not been present for these discussions does not mean they DIDN'T happen. Also, Lets Run management has done a major disservice to the quest for truth by deleting many posts that are indicative of his innocence. This is deceptive and manipulative in and of itself. It is sad to see an entity that is supposed to be unbiased purposely skew the truth. A cheating scandal of this magnitude could never have been pulled off without the aid of either a car, a bike or other accomplices. His family confirmed that he never had access to any of these things. Some races don't allow vehicles and some have so many road closures, navigating around is impossible. These factors at Boston plus 9 timing mats have eliminated cheating for times in the sub-3 range. And yet Kip ran Boston 8 straight times without issue.
For those that claim that the evidence that Kip has presented is not sufficient enough are failing to understand one thing- that is you CAN NOT prove a negative. Cheating can be proven, but NOT cheating can not be proven. Guess what? There are no other runners (aside from those with a video cam on them from start to finish) who could prove they didn't cheat either! Kip actually has much more evidence in his favor than the vast majority of other runners- in addition to the testimony that he had no car or bike, he had family confirm he was at random spots (plus all the timing mats) along many of the courses where he handed them excess gear or was given drinks. Mark Singer had access to this info but chose to not use it. Why would he- his story would have imploded. Remember, he writes for the same New Yorker that fired writer Jonah Lehrer for fabricating info the same week that Mark's fairy tale was published. Uncanny irony.
Kip was running decent times and winning races and triathlons for several years before anyone ever tried to claim cheating. How does one win a race or triathlon and cheat undetected? Ridiculous! Still to this day, there is not even one person who has even ever said they saw him cheat in any of his 200+ races. Ridiculous! One of Kip's training partner's confirmed with us and Mark Singer that Kip's reported finish times were all within his capabilities. Ridiculous!
Kip has no interest in a lawsuit despite his wife being an outstanding attorney. He has a lifelong spotless ethical track record, many friends and a community that loves him. He has nothing to gain by wasting his time in court. Again, you can't prove a negative. The Lets Run post that stated that there is a disconnect between perception online and that in reality couldn't have been more accurate.
I am defending my friend because when you see a friend get painted falsely, that's what friends do. And what are most of the sick people here doing? Let me sum up this absurdity- long after the issue was DEAD, you are STILL here in a forum that Kip DOESN'T even use, relentlessly bashing him over UNCONFIRMED claims from amateur races from YEARS ago, when you DON'T know him and have NEVER even questioned him!! And if this isn't malicious enough, you do this to someone who has a young child with a terminal illness. Just despicable.
Do you send Kip a cut of the ad revenue that his threads produce? Might be a nice gesture.
Bro, the guy was was dq'd from at least two of the races in question for course cutting. He completely fabricated an entire marathon in Wyoming posting made up results online. No other third person comments or interviews are necessary to substantiate that the man is a cheat.
Reality in perspective wrote:I am defending my friend because when you see a friend get painted falsely, that's what friends do.
Yeah, and as his friend, how did you just happen across this thread that's only several days old several years after the fact? Do you have a google alert for 'kip litton my friend the cheater' setup?
Look deeper wrote:
There is a disconnect between the falseness that is accepted here on Lets Run and the New Yorker, and the actual fact that it was pretty much a hoax, which is known to be the case by most everyone where Kip lives. After the story broke there were runners and a number of other people who confirmed that Kip could not have possibly cheated.
But he COULD have split 2:10 / 1:25 in a marathon?
Or dozens of equally ridiculous claims?
Hi, Kip.
*happened
too legit to spit wrote:
Being an avid runner or being a talented runner or being aware of who's who in professional running aren't necessarily related.
For those of Kip's friends or family that watched him run or dropped him at start lines, picked him up, provided fuel on the course or helped him retrieve discarded gear know very well that Kip had no access to cars, bikes or any other transportation, which made it virtually impossible to cheat, particularly in point to point courses.
It may be possible to fool a few people, but not thousands and certainly not his family and support crew. That kind of thinking is delusional. It is very telling that those who claim they want truth are suspiciously unwilling to contact the people who know the most, which are of course those who were actually at all these races with Kip.
Hi Kip.
Anytime you want to, you are very welcome to come forward and explain HOW and WHY you REPEATEDLY crossed the starting line with the walkers, over 30 minutes after the race started.
Anytime you want to, you are very welcome to explain WHY a guy gunning for PRs and masters medals would be videotaped WALKING across the start mat 30 minutes after the start.
Anytime you want to, you are welcome to explain WHY a guy suspected of cheating would HIDE is race number in MULTIPLE races.
I would be willing to bet that LetsRun (or many other running sites) would be willing to give you space to make your case.
So go for it.