Tim Danielson-New York Times extensive article

You all would save yourself a lot of trouble if you would just move from Zen or Buddhism and into Taoism.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

That makes sense. What high school did Royce Shaw attend?

He attended Venice High and that's a "V" on his singlet. Looks like a "Y" I know.

Student wrote: Actually, it seems you did not read the story: his second wife filed complaints with the police about violence, threats, and intimidation towards her. It is not clear whether those charges were resolved in court or otherwise.

Actually, it seems you ARE THE ONE WHO did not read the story:

Student wrote: Actually, it seems you did not read the story: his second wife filed complaints with the police about violence, threats, and intimidation towards her. It is not clear whether those charges were resolved in court or otherwise.

It seems you are the one who did not read the story:

First Wife's Comment:

Even though the marriage did not last, Enns [first wife] described Danielson as calm, never violent, quiet without being reclusive, a doting father. “He was always there to be with his son, and very responsible,” she said.

Daughter of Second Wife's Comment:

Kim Ruff, a daughter, would not speak about the gun accusations from 1988. She said that Danielson did have issues with alcohol. Yet she also described him as “a very quiet, intelligent man” who continued to run 5 to 10 miles a day at that time.

Chris Ruff, a son, called Danielson a “highly functioning alcoholic” and a “pretty good stepfather” who had been “a kind and gentle person to me.”

“Our family still cares about Tim,” Chris Ruff said, describing him as “painfully shy, not out of arrogance or insecurity, just shy.”

And what did the article state that his second wife reported? And is there any evidence in what your have written that refuses her allegations? We don't know the truth, but there was past allegations of domestic violence.

Son - you're way overreacting to a story of which you know nothing about other than what you read. Let the jury and court ascertain what actually happened based on the facts and determine an appropriate penalty, if any. Sorry, but that's how the system is supposed to work.

Practicing Attorney wrote:

Son - you're way overreacting to a story of which you know nothing about other than what you read.

Dad - sorry, you are not an attorney. Overreacting is an opinion only within your head. You only know what you decide you believe. Poor practice for a real attorney.

Danielson killed someone. He will remain in jail the rest of his life. He will not get the death penalty. Real attorneys know the reason why.

You apparently do not listen or comprehend well as evidenced by previous posts. The case has not presented before a jury yet. We do not know all the facts, essentially only heresay. The facts will be presented in a court of law and a jury will make the ultimate determination, not you. And for sake of humanity, we hope it's not you.

California Penil Code wrote:

Practicing Attorney wrote:

Son - you're way overreacting to a story of which you know nothing about other than what you read.

Dad - sorry, you are not an attorney. Overreacting is an opinion only within your head. You only know what you decide you believe. Poor practice for a real attorney.

Danielson killed someone. He will remain in jail the rest of his life. He will not get the death penalty. Real attorneys know the reason why.

Practicing Attorney wrote:

You apparently do not listen or comprehend well as evidenced by previous posts. The case has not presented before a jury yet. We do not know all the facts, essentially only heresay. The facts will be presented in a court of law and a jury will make the ultimate determination, not you. And for sake of humanity, we hope it's not you.

Dear Fake Attorney:

Get a life.

I did not make a determination. You made a determination, poor practice for a real attorney.

You did not make a determination? You've essentially declared the man guilty and convicted him to a life in prison. And I've got a life and a very good one, thank you. J.D.,LLM - UCLA

California Penil Code wrote:

Practicing Attorney wrote:

You apparently do not listen or comprehend well as evidenced by previous posts. The case has not presented before a jury yet. We do not know all the facts, essentially only heresay. The facts will be presented in a court of law and a jury will make the ultimate determination, not you. And for sake of humanity, we hope it's not you.

Dear Fake Attorney:

Get a life.

I did not make a determination. You made a determination, poor practice for a real attorney.

What we know for sure is that the police and the prosecuting attorneys agree that there is probable cause to believe that Danielson killed his ex-wife, and that he is currently in jail facing a murder charge. Also, we know that one judge agrees with the charge and believes that Danielson is not fit to return to society while waiting for his trial.

183CPC wrote:

What we know for sure is that the police and the prosecuting attorneys agree that there is probable cause to believe that Danielson killed his ex-wife, and that he is currently in jail facing a murder charge. Also, we know that one judge agrees with the charge and believes that Danielson is not fit to return to society while waiting for his trial.

That's what they thought about OJ too, but just as sure, he was not convicted.

I have Danielson's workouts as published by his high school coach Harry Taylor in 1966.

3 weeks before his 3:59.4 at Balboa Stadium:

Sunday - AM: 6 miles on hilly terrain.

PM: 12 Miles averaging 5:30 pace

Monday - AM: No workout; recovering.

PM: One mile warm-up, exercises, 8 x 110, 8 x 440 in 60 sec each w/ 110 jog, stride one mile, 12 x 110 in 13.5 avg w/ 100 jog rest.

Tuesday - AM: One mile warm-up, exercises, 8 x 110, 2 x 880 in 2:04 avg w/880 rest in 5 min, 1 x 440 in 60, 8 x 220 in 30 sec avg, one mile cool down.

PM: 8 miles on hilly terrain

Wednesday - AM: Easy 4 miles

PM: Warm up, 40 x 110 in 14 sec avg, jog one mile.

Thursday - AM: No workout

PM: Easy warm up, jog one mile, exercises, 10 x 100 on grass.

Friday - Won San Diego CIF Mile in 4:06.2

Saturday - Drove to Mammoth Lakes and ran 5 miles easy at 8500 feet

Sunday - AM: 5 miles at 8000 feet

PM: 7 miles at 8000 feet

Monday - AM: 10 miles from 8000 to 9000 feet

PM: 5 miles at sea level

Danielson's workouts seem insane.

Anyone know what Webb's final training log was before his 3:53 HS mile?

Very sophisticated training for nearly 50yrs ago. Particularly so for a HS kid.

Worked Out wrote:

Danielson's workouts seem insane.

Anyone know what Webb's final training log was before his 3:53 HS mile?

I know in general what he was doing. His workouts were just as intense as Danielson's, but not doing as much mileage - long runs were shorter, pretty sure he didn't have any 18 mile days. Consistent with the times, he incorporated a lot more drills, etc. Webb's HS training was strongly influenced by Jon Cook.

I have his workout before his arrest:

1 x murder

A Duck wrote:

Somewhat faster than that, in both times. Under 1:50 and at about 4:flat (rarely got to race it). Held one Oregon school record for a while, If I gave you times, it would be too easy to figure out who I "was", and I have no interest in that, this environment, and I'd have stated it from day 1. We'll leave it a mystery.

Ken Martin

nah jk Ken Martin was sub-4

Yawn