Well, I think Northug is actually known to be a bit dickish at times. But his celebration is nothing compared to Bijorn Daehlie's at 2:55 in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtOI57_cTY
And Daehlie was very well regarded by his peers.
Well, I think Northug is actually known to be a bit dickish at times. But his celebration is nothing compared to Bijorn Daehlie's at 2:55 in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtOI57_cTY
And Daehlie was very well regarded by his peers.
Ton Fun wrote:
Well, I think Northug is actually known to be a bit dickish at times. But his celebration is nothing compared to Bijorn Daehlie's at 2:55 in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLtOI57_cTYAnd Daehlie was very well regarded by his peers.
Hes not dickish, he entertains.
His celebrations are numerous and far better than Dæhlis. Remember Bjørn celebrated alone, Northug did it in the relay just before the swedes (arch enemy).
siojaiosdjfi wrote:
And I think you have your own head buried up your ass.
If you can't celebrate winning, then what is the point of even trying to win?
What? You can certainly celebrate winning. Other ways.
I won quite a few races during my hs days, so I have some experience with this. In fact, anyone here over the age of about 22 or 23 probably knows my name. I never once fist-pumped.
I completely don't understand the logic of your question. There are a million reasons to try to win, and millions of ways to celebrate without acting like a jerk. We apply that concept to every other part of our lives. It's called humility and grace, which are generally understood to be positive qualities.
And I also mentioned that a fist pump or two because you lost yourself in sheer joy is always fine. It's when you are doing a celebration performance specifically so others watch you when it becomes unacceptable (to me at least). There's a clear difference in intent: the motivation for the former (a small, momentary fist pump) is internal and the motivation for the latter (trying to attract a crowd's attention) is external.
Anyway, this seems to be one of those issues where you're either on one side or another. The bravado really, really disgusts me, but others are totally okay with it. I'm not a prude and I don't have my head up my a$$ as you so eloquently put it; I'm a happy, normal, laid-back person. It seems that some of you have trouble with the idea that a "normal" person can dislike this behavior.
People keep twisting things around. The OP and most of the discussion has been about a brief gesture of happiness when you cross the line, not showboating for the crowd. You certainly can be more arrogant without making any gesture. It's about how you carry yourself and the actual interactions you have with your competitors. There are plenty of happy go lucky types who celebrate a bit when they cross the line who are well liked and respected by their peers. Conversely, there are those who show nothing when they cross the line, but then walk away with an air of superiority who come off poorly.
To gesture or not to gesture is a red herring. It's about a persons overall attitude and demeanor.
As far as Northug, I really don't know enough about ski racing so I probably shouldn't have commented on him. I was basing it off a random remark by a commentator.
Branburger wrote:
If a competitor is pushing themselves to their limits and achieving something the hardly believed was possible, why is celebrating that achievement any more pretentious in a HS meet than the Olympics?
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Now that's a good question! Why does the Olympic athlete get to express elation, joy, victory with the fist pump and not the HS or even the winners of local road races??? I've won some HS and local roadraces and I don't think I ever fist pumped. But I certainly never had a problem with anyone who did celebrate in this way.
woman here wrote:
siojaiosdjfi wrote:And I think you have your own head buried up your ass.
If you can't celebrate winning, then what is the point of even trying to win?
What? You can certainly celebrate winning. Other ways.
I won quite a few races during my hs days, so I have some experience with this. In fact, anyone here over the age of about 22 or 23 probably knows my name. I never once fist-pumped.
I completely don't understand the logic of your question. There are a million reasons to try to win, and millions of ways to celebrate without acting like a jerk. We apply that concept to every other part of our lives. It's called humility and grace, which are generally understood to be positive qualities.
And I also mentioned that a fist pump or two because you lost yourself in sheer joy is always fine. It's when you are doing a celebration performance specifically so others watch you when it becomes unacceptable (to me at least). There's a clear difference in intent: the motivation for the former (a small, momentary fist pump) is internal and the motivation for the latter (trying to attract a crowd's attention) is external.
Anyway, this seems to be one of those issues where you're either on one side or another. The bravado really, really disgusts me, but others are totally okay with it. I'm not a prude and I don't have my head up my a$$ as you so eloquently put it; I'm a happy, normal, laid-back person. It seems that some of you have trouble with the idea that a "normal" person can dislike this behavior.
Well I'm glad you can just personally and subjectively decide whether the action was intrinsically or extrinsically motivated action.
Northug can celebrate all he wants because he routinely kicks everyone's butts and does it with style. He is easily the best doper in XC skiing.
Woah, woah, calm down with all the hate! No need for it here! We are all runners and enjoy the same things (including hating on triathletes), so let's all get along!
Stephen King's Sleepwalkers wrote:
I usually do it as joke. I've done it several times at small time meaningless 5K's even when I don't win as it makes for a hilarious race photo. I've done the Stember Airplane (a Let's Run-approved celebration) on occasion and have pointed at the race clock with a smug look on my face as well.
I'm not going pro, not elite, not going to the Olympics. Best to have fun, train hard, and do what I can do with my limited ability.
I agree that you need to do it at least once for the race photo
One of my favorite races of the year is the boys 2 mile at Arcadia where they get 10+ boys breaking 9:00 every year. Many of those guys that squeeze in under the magic number celebrate with fist pumps and arms raised. I love it.
If it's genuine it's awesome.
If it's preplanned you look like a tool.
I see nothing wrong with it.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Northug can celebrate all he wants because he routinely kicks everyone's butts and does it with style. He is easily the best doper in XC skiing.
Hah, you have no clue what you're talking about. I've traind with these guys, their faaaaar from the superhumans skiiers used to be in the 90s and earl 2000s.
woman here wrote:
I completely don't understand the logic of your question. There are a million reasons to try to win, and millions of ways to celebrate without acting like a jerk. We apply that concept to every other part of our lives. It's called humility and grace, which are generally understood to be positive qualities.
And I also mentioned that a fist pump or two because you lost yourself in sheer joy is always fine. It's when you are doing a celebration performance specifically so others watch you when it becomes unacceptable (to me at least). There's a clear difference in intent: the motivation for the former (a small, momentary fist pump) is internal and the motivation for the latter (trying to attract a crowd's attention) is external.
Thats EXACTLY what we are talking about, a fist pumpr or two in sheer joy. Go back to page 4 and look at the pictures of those celebrations. We aren't talking about celebrating to taunt others.
We are praising internal celebration (altough theres times where external celebration are just fine by me, but thats not really what we are discussing).
woman here wrote:
Anyway, this seems to be one of those issues where you're either on one side or another. The bravado really, really disgusts me, but others are totally okay with it. I'm not a prude and I don't have my head up my a$$ as you so eloquently put it; I'm a happy, normal, laid-back person. It seems that some of you have trouble with the idea that a "normal" person can dislike this behavior.
Not really, it seems to me that you have completely misunderstood what we are trying to say.
We are praising the one who celebrates in joy for a second or two, not the one who taunts. Its not really against or for.
It seems to me you just jump to conclusion instead of reading and understanding the comments on this thread.
Fun Ton wrote:
As far as Northug, I really don't know enough about ski racing so I probably shouldn't have commented on him. I was basing it off a random remark by a commentator.
Hes just always taunting the swedes, as Norway and Sweden have a friendly internal battle at skiing. Its just for fun. The Swedish skiiers don't mind at all.
Ran 400 m last week in 50,02 sec was leading all the way with some small battles with the winner (i ended 2th) i got the lead all the way until the last 15 m he won by 0,03 sec and screamed when he crossed the line like it was the Olympics.
Just laughed when I crossed the line. Dude wtf... haha... it's acceptable.. let them do it if they want..
I've been watching more winter sports recently (mostly a variety of skiing disciplines but also skeleton, bod sled, speed skating etc) and it seems to me they celebrate a bit more than runners. At the same time, they seem to have some of the best relationships with their competitors: lots of hugs, congratulations, etc.
What is acceptable or normal likely varies by sport and even regionally.