Before state cross my coach had me inhale from one. I won.
Before state cross my coach had me inhale from one. I won.
Exactly. Listen to this guy, you morons.
Not a Fatty wrote:
From WADA
All beta-2 agonists, including all optical isomers (e.g. d- and l-) where relevant, are prohibited except inhaled salbutamol (maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours), inhaled formoterol (maximum delivered dose 54 micrograms over 24 hours) and salmeterol when taken by inhalation in accordance with the manufacturers’ recommended therapeutic regimen.
Besides, there are lots of things on the WADA banned list that haven't been clinically proven to be performance enhancers.. like deer antler spray and DHEA and then others that clearly would hurt your running performance like morphine, ethonal or beta blockers.
Inhalers enhance performance for non-asthmatics. Breathing is enhanced and they provide an stimulant effect. Another less recognized benefit is that they improve body composition. They're not exactly Deca but the body composition improvements are real.
You can basically tell a doctor that your pulse raised 1 beat per minute walking up the stairs and they'll diagnose you with exercise induced asthma and open the medicine cabinet for salbuterol and advair. I believe it's wrong that so many athletes who aren't going anywhere in sports are using inhalers because of the side effects. It also creates a situation where other non-asthmatics also need to get inhalers to maintain an equal playing field.
Other than people just saying so, no one has linked to any actual proof that an inhaler enhances the performance of someone who doesn't have asthma. Does this proof exist?
Other than people just saying so, no one has linked to any actual proof that an inhaler DO NOT enhances the performance of someone who doesn't have asthma. Does this proof exist?
So what you are saying is that no one has any proof one way or the other and it's just people pulling opinions out of their butts?
Cause this thread is just a lot of "is so" "is not" "is so" back and forth.
No, people have posted studies that failed to find a benefit for inhalers. Other than one guy with a secret PDF cache, WHERE is the evidence that asthma inhalers are performance enhancing?
The benefit people keep citing, an increase in lung capacity, is not the limiting factor for athletes who don't have asthma. Body composition changes might be real, but again nobody's linking anything. As that Sports Illustrated article recently showed, athletes will take anything that offers an edge, even if it's total nonsense.
With drugs it's not as simple as someone posting the link to a research study abstract found on the internet as proof. You can find research studies saying pretty much anything you want it to. Plus the design of studies on PEDs is severely limited. You can't ethically set up a study with proper test subjects in a real world training environment. Regardless of what the research says, if a drug works...IT WORKS. Athletes and coaches don't wait for research to show them what they know is right it true.
If you're looking for "proof" I'd start with drug textbooks to begin understanding how drugs work. The book I mentioned Drugs In Sport is a good place to start. The chapters are broken down by WADA's categories of PEDs. I don't see how anyone can read the section in that book on B2As (and the investigate the book's references for BTAs) and not be convinced that inhalers enhance performance.
After I start working again, I am going to hire a personal trainer to get me back into shape. I don't think I can pay as much as $50 an hr., but we will see what I can afford. You want the job? It will be really, really early morning workouts. I will also need a trainer because I need someone who will monitor my breathing and work with my asthma.
Ho Hum wrote:
Other than one guy with a secret PDF cache
I do have a huge PDF collection on PEDs. I wouldn't feel comfortable posting titles of research papers just yet. I'd have to go back read through lots of studies I have on B2As again and basically create a report as research is tricky to read and interpret. That's why I'm saying don't look so much towards research studies for your proof. Start with textbooks. Also, some of the best studies you won't be able to find online anyway if I were to give you the title, besides maybe an abstract.
Better yet if you want proof, find out for yourself. The best proof I have that inhalers enhance performance was asking a very accomplished coach on skype. He said "Hell yeah they work!"
I would prefer a trainer who exercises with me. Do trainers do that? It pumps me up when I'm doing it with someone else.
yes wrote:Regardless of what the research says, if a drug works...IT WORKS. Athletes and coaches don't wait for research to show them what they know is right it true.
Athletes also wear those Phiten necklaces (I've seen Kara Goucher with one), Powerbalance bracelets and other pseudoscience stuff that they think works but, at best, are placebos, so what athletes and coaches think "works" doesn't actually carry much weight.
I am an All-American and use albuterol before every race and before every run. I also have run 70-90 mpw for the last seven years. I wish I could run without my bronchial tubes swelling up but I can't. I do not take an inhaler to get an "edge" above other athletes, I take it so I can just function as a normal human being. I would have died multiple times as a child if it wasn't for albuterol. Living with asthma sucks. Some days I can't even go for a bike ride or a hike with my wife without suffering. You guys make me sick who think this medicine is for cheaters.
Ho Hum wrote:
No, people have posted studies that failed to find a benefit for inhalers.
And Canova provided a link to a study that found no effect from EPO on Kenyans
The balance of studies show an ergogenic effect from EPO. Enough with the magical thinking and assumption that athletes are omniscient.
If it works, then prove it. Link to something. You can very easily prove that EPO, blood doping, and caffeine improve performance, while you can't prove that de-ionized water, holographic stickers, or magnetic power bracelets work. And yet many athletes swear by them.
I'm just saying... wrote:
Athletes also wear those Phiten necklaces (I've seen Kara Goucher with one), Powerbalance bracelets and other pseudoscience stuff that they think works but, at best, are placebos, so what athletes and coaches think "works" doesn't actually carry much weight.
If you think the odd athlete seen wearing a bracelet or has some deer antler spray in his locker is indicative of what athletes and coaches know to work then you're an idiot.
How about you design a doping program for your team based on proof you find in research studies only.
And I'll design my doping program for my team from textbook knowledge and from talking to doctors, athletes and coaches. I might even choose to dope my athletes with something that doesn't have a tidy research study showing that it works. OMG, Pseudoscience. Voodoo.
Let's see who outperforms who.
Its a disease not a gift wrote:
I am an All-American and use albuterol before every race and before every run. I also have run 70-90 mpw for the last seven years. I wish I could run without my bronchial tubes swelling up but I can't. I do not take an inhaler to get an "edge" above other athletes, I take it so I can just function as a normal human being. I would have died multiple times as a child if it wasn't for albuterol. Living with asthma sucks. Some days I can't even go for a bike ride or a hike with my wife without suffering. You guys make me sick who think this medicine is for cheaters.
I'm not addressing people who legitimately have asthma. I'm sorry to hear the suffering you go through and apologize if anything I said offended you. Thankfully modern medicine has developed drugs to help the legitimate asthma sufferers live a better quality of life and prevent serious issues from developing. I'm not implying people like you are cheating. My issue is with coaches who encourage non-asthmatic athletes to get diagnosed with EIA for a performance edge and doctors who act as vending machines for inhalers.
So the new verdict is that albuterol does indeed enhance the running performance of non-asthmatic athletes, however, it is accompanied by many side effects.
(Even though we are still waiting on some evidence... any evidence at all really)
I see it this way. If an athlete truly has asthma problems and inhaler lets them run better that the would otherwise.
Therefore, all athlete should be allowed to use inhalers to that the advantages are equal.
Although I do not have asthma, I have run many times with clogged lungs and a constricted throat. My performance suffered every time. An inhaler would have improved my times by clearing me out.
The New Verdict wrote:
So the new verdict is that albuterol does indeed enhance the running performance of non-asthmatic athletes, however, it is accompanied by many side effects.
(Even though we are still waiting on some evidence... any evidence at all really)
Like I said you're not going to find the types of evidence that some people here want. Neither the athletes or WADA wait until the research comes in because they'll be waiting forever. Sometimes decisions in life require having a functioning brain or use common sense.