jjjjsj wrote:
In the grand scheme of things, a sub 9 3200m is not good. It's over a minute slower than what the best can do. I don't think it's ridiculous that a world class athlete could run sub 9. Especially if he weighs as much as a runner but is a lot stronger. And especially if he runs 50mpw.
If skinny, weak high school boys can run sub 9 on 50mpw, then surely Mayweather can. Think about how much additional endurance cross training he's doing.
That's a faulty conclusion!
spotter wrote:
I heard about mayweather running 5:45km pace for 8miles years ago and thought what a load of BS. Earlier this year I met a guy named Billy Dib who is a professional boxer, he has held the title not sure if its ibo or wbo. Anyway I was running in Sydney at a track in a suburb called slyvania waters and I watched him run 12x400m with 1min rec in 58seconds. I was completely shocked, the guy is in a pretty light weight division but to be honest I couldn't complete that session and I'm a 1:47 800m guy. So after that session I found out he does some training there a fair bit and runs about 50miles per week and actually vouched for Floyd running 8 something for 2miles.
What other sports do you reckon have guys capable of fairly elite times for mid d/ distance events?
Yes, and Allen Iverson ran a 4:30 mile and the guy a cube over from me who ran cross country one year to get in shape hockey ran a 4 minute mile.
'I heard about mayweather running 5:45km pace for 8miles years ago and thought what a load of BS. Earlier this year I met a guy named Billy Dib who is a professional boxer, he has held the title not sure if its ibo or wbo. Anyway I was running in Sydney at a track in a suburb called slyvania waters and I watched him run 12x400m with 1min rec in 58seconds'
Like hell you did so you saw him do the same session Cram a 3:46 miler did and only 2 seconds per 400m slower. Complete BS
you2 wrote:
He ran 8 something for 2 km's.
BINGO. We have a winner. This is the correct answer. See how misunderstandings can spread.
ttc wrote:
I've amateur boxed & the OP is feasible.
The muscle-development slowing down fighters is bogus, when **generalizing** it. Top boxers run 5-10 miles most days. Then they jump rope, which helps running in a plyos way. They hit the bag- and that is very cardio, if you've never done it. Then the sparring is very cardio- Even a pro runner will gas in 1 rd when first trying it.
Great post.
This thread shows one of the oldest truths on Letsrun: If you suggest that a non-runner could achieve anything in the sport, bad runners will lose their panties arguing against it. This has happened every time a soccer player, basketball player, wrestler or boxer's ability has been posted.
It also shows that nobody here except ttc has a clue about boxing training. Take a moderately talented high school kid, say a 1:55 guy who could get to 1:50 with two years of real track training. Put him in a serious boxing program for two years and he will be at 1:53. A month of sharpening and he's at 1:51.
Real amateur boxers could go pound-for-pound with amateur sub-elite runners in VO2 max testing, that is for sure. And pro lightweights are not going to be far behind pro runners.
Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings. They just train much, much more.
The muscle-development slowing down fighters is bogus, when **generalizing** it. Top boxers run 5-10 miles most days. Then they jump rope, which helps running in a plyos way. They hit the bag- and that is very cardio, if you've never done it. Then the sparring is very cardio- Even a pro runner will gas in 1 rd when first trying it.
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Great post.
This thread shows one of the oldest truths on Letsrun: If you suggest that a non-runner could achieve anything in the sport, bad runners will lose their panties arguing against it. This has happened every time a soccer player, basketball player, wrestler or boxer's ability has been posted.
It also shows that nobody here except ttc has a clue about boxing training. Take a moderately talented high school kid, say a 1:55 guy who could get to 1:50 with two years of real track training. Put him in a serious boxing program for two years and he will be at 1:53. A month of sharpening and he's at 1:51.
Real amateur boxers could go pound-for-pound with amateur sub-elite runners in VO2 max testing, that is for sure. And pro lightweights are not going to be far behind pro runners.
Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings. They just train much, much more.[/quote]
I'd say he'd get to 1:52 after sharpening.
What people here aren't considering is that boxers don't just do "base training with some cross training" like any competitive distance runner. The session OP talks about is feasible because this guy also probably has a lot more pure power than your average sub-elite miler. The training for boxing can (depending on the gym) involve squatting several times a week, or doing burpee sets for half an hour, or kettle bell "rounds", etc, all of which build a huge amount of leg power. Combine this with a decent mileage base, and you get a session like the one described. Now could this boxer run the same times as a 4:0x miler across the board? Obviously not, as OP has said he probably wouldn't even be able to take a sub-elite guy in an 800m. But he would be able to smoke the miler in a 200m. Consider also, that the boxer is training not for a steady effort (1 mile at x pace) but for INTERVALS (12 rounds). His training is intended to make him a master at recovering between bursts of large effort. This will also give him an edge over the hypothetical sub-elite miler everyone seems to want to compare him to. As a boxer, he is pre-sharpened. He already has better power than the miler would develop by the week he peaks, making this session very possible for a 16:46 5k guys.
says 5:45 to 6 minute pace for 6 mile runs here.
[quote]rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
This thread shows one of the oldest truths on Letsrun: If you suggest that a non-runner could achieve anything in the sport, bad runners will lose their panties arguing against it. This has happened every time a soccer player, basketball player, wrestler or boxer's ability has been posted.[quote]
This is because all of these "suggestions" are hypotheticals that either supposedly happenned or haven't happenned but the poster can guarantee. Whether it's that supposed 14:50 5K that Jerry Rice did but for which there is no link to results or this, it's always via some word of mouth that nobody has on video nor recorded in any official results.
Now I may be just a bad runner, but I will also call these posters out when they claim Lebron can bench 500 when nobody has ever seen him even bench 400 or things like that as well.
Enough talking about this scum loser. Floyd Mayweather beats up women. Unfortunately, there's no video and the Lords of Boxing turn a blind eye. He's a loser.
http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498
Beating up women keeps his cardio in top shape.
Where is Liz Mueller when we need her?
How about a show like "Wife Swap" but "Sport Swap" instead? Say Michael Phelps has to train like Mayweather for awhile and vice versa. The bowler doing triathlon training would be interesting. Or the marathoner doing gymnastics.
By the way, does anyone have the video of Amanda Bingson doing cartwheels or something in the gymnastics area after throwing the AR in the hammer?
Some good posts, but Mayweather is not a runner. A welterweight boxer might be 5 foot 6 but a miler at that same weight would be 6 foot. Nowhere near the same build and for good reason. The fittest boxers most like runners could rip off respectable 800's but likely nothing beyond that. I know some amateur boxers, yes they spar and do conditioning and lift weights. But 6 miles out the door at 6 minute pace and hard sprints are not a daily thing. Often they walk on an incline on a treadmill and just bring the speed up to a jog. Is 90 minutes of soccer tiring? or 48 minutes of basketball? Do they include periods where you feel gassed? That wont get them all the way to being a good runner. A sub 9 2 miles? Thats worth 8:20 for 3k, no shot. 12 x 400 in 58 off 1 min? That's laughable.
He beats up women. Stop talking about this scumbag.
Dammm straight
Mobius stripper wrote:
Talented compared to most people, compared to other fighters? No.
He's gotten incredibly lucky and picked his fights very well.
But foreword, the average MMA guy in his same weightclass would tear his arm off.
You should know who the real fighters are.
Wow. This may be the most delusional post of all time
My friend Irleis (Cubanito ) Perez was a boxer and fought for the world title when title fights were 15 rounds, Roger Mayweather uncle of Floyd Mayweather jr. knows him real well and Freddie Roach does as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsOAW2sh3s
Here is another one of his fights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQuMGL816M
I thought my friend won those 2 fights against Jimmy Paul and Hector Camacho, here is Camacho vs Sugar Ray Leonard, who do you think did better against Camacho? Sugar Ray Leonard or Cubanito Perez? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvRFtbWyBHM
Mobius stripper wrote:
OP you are so full of sh*t its ridiculous.
I swear one of you meat heads drops a 6 minute mile and you think you're one of the best around. Little girls run faster than Mayweather.
Its not something to be ashamed about either, but it is the freaking truth.
After my friend slapped on 20 lbs of muscle, even with the same mileage he lost an entire minute off his mile from low 4 to 5 flat. Thats just what happens.
And yes he was one of the best in the country in highschool in the mile and now 14 y/o girls could beat him at it, and he's only 24.
Just the way things are.
Damn, that much time off the mile? I've always been told that as long as you don't increase your body fat, your times won't suffer. Obviously that theory is off.
Just bumping this, what does every one think did Cubanito Perez give Camacho a tougher fight than Ray Leonard did?