WAYTAB: CHRIS SOLINSKY, "Kenyans don't like to hurt from 1000m out.."

SOLINSKY is trash talking sure but he has a bit of a point.

solinsky's conjecture is that there is no african who's gone from more than 1km out in just about any big 5 or 10km championship race. but i'd substitute african with anyone. no one goes from more than 1km out. maybe mottram tried, can't think of anyone else?

i remember seeing billy mc-chesney at the 1980 olympic trials try a move from way way out. and it worked in that he made the team in third place. i think he should have took off just a little later, even 100m later he was passed in the stretch by 2 guys and nearly 3.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=20050802&id=GGBWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=efADAAAAIBAJ&pg=4519,297114

another problem is if you look at the world records of gebrsalasse and bekele, they have to take it from a long way out....

for the long move to really work, you need one or two guys to help.

I don't know what you have been watching for the last 25 years but the Africans have constantly been forcing the pace in the last half of 5000m and 10000m. John Ngugi went with over 3800 left of his Olympic 5000m win, Haile ran the last 5000m of a 10000m championship race in sub 13 minutes, Kenyans drove to the line to shake Haile G., and and now Eritreans and Kenyans have to throw surge after surge to get rid of King Kenny B. The same will be attempted in 2012 when Kenny B and Mo Farah take to the startling line of the Olympic races.

So you and Chris Solinsky don't know what the heck you two are talking about or anyone agreeing with him have selective memory!

MemoryLost wrote:

I don't know what you have been watching for the last 25 years but the Africans have constantly been forcing the pace in the last half of 5000m and 10000m. John Ngugi went with over 3800 left of his Olympic 5000m win, Haile ran the last 5000m of a 10000m championship race in sub 13 minutes, Kenyans drove to the line to shake Haile G., and and now Eritreans and Kenyans have to throw surge after surge to get rid of King Kenny B. The same will be attempted in 2012 when Kenny B and Mo Farah take to the startling line of the Olympic races.

So you and Chris Solinsky don't know what the heck you two are talking about or anyone agreeing with him have selective memory!

your point is well taken.

1988 olympic 5000 - crazy!

see mcchesney's move at the 1980 trials.

solinsky's viewpoint is probably based on his personal experience in races and with other guys he trains with, he might say SO WHAT? to things that happened 10 years or so ago.

GlobalView wrote:

Concerned Citizen wrote:

I don't know what you're talking about. He doesn't come across bad in interviews.

It's not that he comes across badly (well groomed, well spoken), but his mouth does seem to runneth over. It has alreay been alluded to here, but to imply that the East Africans don't want to hurt well out from the finish shows an ignorance for the history of our sport.

I wonder if Solinsky knows about Filbert Bayi - he of the 51/52 first 1500/mile lap. What about John Ngugi's early gold-winning 5000m surge in Seoul? And is he aware of Kip Keino's "catch me if you can" tactic?

In light of Solinsky's statement, it seems not.

Will Chris be racing any of these guys? It seems not.

Cliff Clavin wrote:

No honor wrote:

Winning from the front does not equal hurting from more than 1K out.

That comment from you is really stupid.

Having won from the front more times than you've probably even finished a race, I can tell you that it usually does.

Showing your stupidity again. Nice.

steve37 wrote:

I'm not sure why people are saying Solinsky is whining/racist because of this comment. It doesn't sound like whining at all to me. It sounds like he's just theorizing about what strategies might be most effective against the best runners in the game. If he thinks that pushing the pace earlier on gives him the best chance of winning, how is that whining? Also, a guy who has raced against the best in the world on many occasions probably knows more about this than your average poster on letsrun.

Exactly. This thread has a lot of drama queens that just want to make a big deal out of nothing.

VIPAM wrote:

I think Solinsky has great talent and if he can stay healthy I have do doubt he can improve significantly on his 10000m pb.

I doubt that Solinsky will ever better his 10000m time, and perhaps won't even approach it.

Quenton C. wrote:Last I checked the Kenyans don't do as great as people think in the 5000 and 10000. That is where the Ethiopians truly dominate

true

however, the reason came recently from the horse's mouth - the chairman of kenyan athletics

he bemoaned the fact that they can't keep the top 5k/10k talents on the track & as soon as they can, they move to the road

i think likes like geoff mutai/mosop/makau/etc coud run 12'45/26'30 just off their M training currently

if this calibre of guy moved exclusively to 5k/10k, then i'd certainly believe the wrs woud be under threat

here is a vid of late last year with one of those road-kenyans breaking the 4 mile ( 6.4km ) wr & destroying a well known guy

this kenyan had to be in 12'45/12'50 shape to do this ( i hope he goes for 5k in london )

the best kenyan talent are on the roads...

Beside Chris Solinsky statement not being true as the Africans routinely force the pace from farther then 1000m. Another reason I have a problem with Chris' statement is that he isn't even going run in 2012 so why open his big mouth.

Geoffrey Mutai being left off the Olympic marathon maybe a blessing for 10000m fans. Hopefully Geoffrey decides to target the 10000m race instead of opting for a fall marathon. I too believe that Geoffrey could run AT LEAST 26:30 if he focused on the 10000m.

SOL AND TEG TRY AND CLOSE FROM 1600 OUT.

IT ALMOST WORKED AGAINST A WORLD CHAMPION.

WATCH ALL THE VIDS

http://www.letsrun.com/2011/lagat-solinsky-0625.php