TRUE THAT! Well said and I agree.
TRUE THAT! Well said and I agree.
Ritz is far from done and I for one wouldn't bet against him to nab a top 3 spot.
troof be told wrote:
dsrunner has the day off wrote:yes, after 20 miles at 5'/mile, the 14:00 5000m guys will be looking for a team spot.
Kawauchi has a 13:59 PB and yet would be a lock for a spot if he was American.
No he wouldn't. Ritz, Hall, Meb, Rupp all could take him (not saying that they definitively would, but all would have a good chance to). Plus who knows what Mo Trafeh might do in his first marathon.
TrackCoach wrote:
re: "67 degrees and humid"
-Can it be humid at 67 degrees; is that possible?
Oh yes. Ask anyone who's run San Antonio over the past several years.
Actually, it might be better for the quality of the team if the weather was warm, since Olympic Marathon weather usually is far from ideal anyway. We want to send the people who are best equipped for the most likely conditions, right? It doesn't make sense to send anyone who cant run well in the heat.
Hells Bells wrote:
Crystal Ball Clearly wrote:Meb,... etc....will have to have their best races to even have a shot at making it.
He has been there and his body HAS done it before, who else has except for Hall?
Top Marathon Times
Meb Ritz
1 2:09:13 2:10:00
2 2:09:15 2:11:07
3 2:09:53 2:11:59
4 2:09:56 2:12:33
5 2:10:03 2:14:01
Who has been there and whose body HAS done it before?
I can only think that you must be trolling.
And, of course, more importantly, Meb has an Olympic silver and a NY win against a truly elite field. What does Ritz have that touches that at the marathon?
And Meb just PR'd in his last race, after going out and hanging on for a long time at a fairly suicidal pace (for him).
Advantage Meb, every way you look at it. (except for the "Ritz potential" at the marathon argument, which has taken a severe beating over, and over again)
Montesquieu wrote:
2:10 and ninth in the Olympics hardly qualifies as poor, but surely the results are less than one would expect.
That was a very good marathon for him. Compared to the rest of his marathon career, that was above expectations.
Montesquieu wrote: As regards his current status, this seems to be the chronology. Due to two surgeries and the infection that followed he couldn't run for 5-6 months. He did do a great deal of core work though ......
Oh, then he should be all set. As we all know, the core is where the power comes from!
No clue who you are but if you wanna put some $$$ up, let me know. If you think Meb is going to beat Dathan next Saturday then you are slightly deranged and think far too highly of your opinion. We are basing it off of now, not 3-8 years ago.
Yes, Meb has done some decent things for sure. His Olympic silver was in 2004 and his win in NY was great, but the field he faced in 2009 was NOT the quality of the 2012 field (look up the results and times yourself).
His Oly silver was great, but it was 2 olympics ago. Ryan Hall obviously had a very bad race in the NY 09' and Meb had a great race. If you can't admit that then you're not worth even discussing it with. It doesn't diminish his victory, what I am saying is that if you took 10 head to head battles, Ryan Hall is beating Meb 8/9 out of 10 times.
As for Dathan, I'll make that bet as I know for a fact that Dathan is in much better shape than you know-it-alls believe he is. He doesn't have to lead or win.
The Lions could beat the Saints...any given Sunday, right? But the odds are that they will lose. But if they pull off an upset, does that make them better? Nope, only better on THAT DAY. Dathan has way more THAT DAYS in him than Meb.
n da'no wrote:
No clue who you are but if you wanna put some $$$ up, let me know. If you think Meb is going to beat Dathan next Saturday then you are slightly deranged and think far too highly of your opinion. We are basing it off of now, not
Meb ran almost a minute faster than Ritz's PR just a few weeks ago.
I've been picking Ritz for top 3 all along. Now I don't think so.
Meb is a class above Ritz in the marathon. The ONLY way Ritz will beat Meb, is if Meb DNFs which won't happen this time around.
This time last year people were saying Meb was done. To bet against Meb in the marathon is foolish.
1. Hall 2:08:56
2. Meb 2:09:48
3. Trafeh 2:09:59
Then pony up. It's really that easy. I'm wrong and you are right. Pony up.
Sure, at what distance? If you are talking about the NYC marathon it was almost 2 months ago, not a few weeks.
Concerned Citizen wrote:
No he wouldn't. Ritz, Hall, Meb, Rupp all could take him (not saying that they definitively would, but all would have a good chance to). Plus who knows what Mo Trafeh might do in his first marathon.
Of your list, Hall is the only one that's a safe bet to say could take him. Ritz would have very little chance, Meb somewhat more but with the month he lost to foot infection after New York it's unlikely he's in the same kind of shape he was in New York. Rupp is too far from a known factor to be considered.
TLW wrote:
Meb is a class above Ritz in the marathon. The ONLY way Ritz will beat Meb, is if Meb DNFs which won't happen this time around.
This time last year people were saying Meb was done. To bet against Meb in the marathon is foolish.
1. Hall 2:08:56
2. Meb 2:09:48
3. Trafeh 2:09:59
Meb is a beast. Ritz isn't going to take a healthy Meb over 26.2. There isn't one past performance that indicates it will even be close. Trafeh will make the mistake of many aspiring marathoners and cover/instigate an ambitious break that ultimately seals his fate around 35K.
Maybe, but Meb is pretty banged up after NY and had trouble getting back to training. If NY was the trials race Meb would have made the team for sure. I think Ritz has a very good chance, he came back from an ijury and had a very short build up before Beijing and did pretty well. As for EPMo, he's dangerous but I hope he DNF's.