JAMAICA 37.04 WR Thoughts....

"So I think it is natural talent and not doping"

Sherlock, you seem reasonable, so let me ask you:

Why can't it be BOTH natural talent AND doping?

Your post implies that you believe they are mutually exclusuve. Why do you feel this way?

I think SprintGeezer has just confirmed his racism. The

nicest person on the team, up there with Asafa is referred

to as a scumbag (Nesta Carter). This man wasn't a megastar

in high school but was good to enough and kept at it and in

the same camp with one of the two best sprint coaches in

the world is now a world beater.

This old 'geezer' should stop making a fool of himself.

There are better things to do than to attempt to belittle

the most recognizable small country in the world. Many of

those people in high places in the US have Jamaican

heritage.

We punch above our weight in most things. The main problem

is political division. That cripples us but to attack a

country because we soundly beat yours in a sporting event

is petty at best. Asafa's minister parents who actually

publicly scolded him for dancing with Bolt would actually

support his 'doping'. Please!!

Again Geezer you need to find something to do man. I'll get

back to the school work I have to do at the UWI

(Postgraduate) in my jungle country now.

I come on Letsrun briefly everyday to see what rubbish he

has posted....and he always obliges

Salt, and rum (which is really sugar cane).

James, yes, "facts not hogwash".

The FACT is that I'm talking about Nesta Carter, not Darvis Patton.

Nesta Carter is dirty as sin, and HE knows it. Just watch his reactions to any good race he runs--he isn't even happy, he's just nervous...nervously waiting to see if he gets found out or not.

I started another thread a long time ago in which I expressed my opinion that Patton was clean, for various reasons. Others posted facts and argument that suggest that he has doped in the past, and that discussion has made me less certain about Patton than I previously was, but I still lean on the side of clean.

In the '09 final, Patton actually ran the race, until around the 75m mark, when everybody else was already crossing the line. He tried, and gave up when he realized that all was irrevocably lost.

Carter, on the other hand, didn't even try. And furthermore, I haven't even heard any word from any even remotely credible source that he had a cramp in the 100m final. And it's too late now, any statements made now have to be seen as damage control.

Again, show me a dated piece from any remotely credible source that explains his final.

The FACT is that we're talking about Carter, not Patton.

James--facts not hogwash.

One could say the same about Tyson Gay. Dude never really seems happy and a bit nervous when interviewed. Whoomp there it is - he must be doping or maybe he is just shy and not that good with people.

What are you doing your "postgraduate" work in, llemux? Rhetoric?

The stupid race card can only be played so many times before it loses all meaning. It's totally ridiculous at this point.

The "most recognizable small country in the world"? I don't know about that, it may be true, although I suspect that Kuwait is much better-known, and has the same population (I think). Jamaica is certainly on the map, though, because of Bolt.

I'm not belittling Jamaica, I'm stating how it is. I notice you haven't taken issue with any of the "facts" I wrote. You know why? Because they are true. Like I said in the earlier post, there is nothing wrong with Jamaica being good at what they are good at--which is, essentially, sprinting, reggae, drugs and alcohol.

Jamaica punches above its weight in most things? Such as? Literature? Art? Science? Medicine? Technology? Manufacturing? Social theory? Pedagogy? Astronomy? Law? Feminism? Democracy? Human rights? Industrial design? Lingistics? Economics and commerce? Warfare? Mining? Engineering? Dance? Viticulture? Philosophy?

And "Many of those people in high places in the US have Jamaican heritage.", ah, in a word, no.

Look, I'm not dissing Jamaica, but you have to see it for what it is--mostly a craphole, with some "nicer" resorts, lots of poverty and violence, almost no infrastructure, weak social and educational systems, but with some beautiful people who are stuck in a rut for one reason or another, mostly as a result of those of their compatriots who aren't quite so beautiful. That's why there's so many Jamaicans living in New York and Toronto, and not in Jamaica.

Sprinting gives them hope, and that is a good thing.

Again, what are you doing your "postgraduate" work in?

what more credible source do you need more than Nesta Carter HIMSELF saying he cramped up.

Nesta is the opposite of Bolt he is ALWAYS reserved and for folks like me that have been watching him since he was 15 we are not surprised by his reactions, he almost never smiles.

Jamming--

Because I'm a reasonable guy, I will ask in good faith for a source where I can view him saying that he cramped up.

My point is simple:

When evidence is shown to you that American athletes have done the same as these Jamaican athletes, your opinion seem to be different. It's a damn shame that the entire USATF history before 2004 will always have an asterisk beside it.

Just swallow the facts and stop talking rubbish.

James--Fine, Patton was doping too.

He said so less than 5 minutes after the race while being interviewed by a local television station and the president of his club MVP said it again on a sports show LAST NIGHT.

Sprint Geezer you are an example of an educated idiot. Your argument in regards to Nesta Carters doping is invalid(I am sure you did Humanities in College you should know about Logics).

Nesta Carters' inability to express his emotions are no different the American Tyson Gay stone-face, wide-eyed look no matter where he is...it almost seem as if he is afraid of something or someone other than his fellow competitors.

Want some info?

I am 23 years old. i did my first degree in Economics and Mathematics.

I have had severe Crohn's Disease for 8 years.

My current field of study is Economics. I am a proud Jamaican, black mixed with strong English roots.

https://www.facebook.com/#

!/llemy

Want more? I really have no time to waste because you have already made your mind up. You will never be happy unless the USA enters 3 scrawny white guys who dominate the world at 100m and Jamaica can't even get one person past the first round because less than 3 million people live here.

Here are some links...look for yourself Geezer.

I have Jamaican Britons and Jamaican Americans for your

perusal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_British

You're smart enough. to see for yourself. This is a list of

actual Jamaicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jamaicans

Oh and this drug thing shows how little you

actually know since you drew for the most cliched

stereotype out there. All that in a 49 year old country

previously under British colonial rule since 1655.

James Lee wrote:

Sprint Geezer you are an example of an educated idiot. Your argument in regards to Nesta Carters doping is invalid(I am sure you did Humanities in College you should know about Logics).

Nesta Carters' inability to express his emotions are no different the American Tyson Gay stone-face, wide-eyed look no matter where he is...it almost seem as if he is afraid of something or someone other than his fellow competitors.

that's because gay is doping too

jamming wrote:

He said so less than 5 minutes after the race while being interviewed by a local television station and the president of his club MVP said it again on a sports show LAST NIGHT.

uhh, geezer wanted a credible source and asked for a vid presumably so that he could judge for himself...not that there's anything wrong with that...

that's lots of jamaicans in high places in the US?

like shari belafonte?

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

more like you can find high jamaicans in many places in the US

you are a racist llemy

btw, at what university did you do your first degree, and exactly what degree did you earn, and exactly what are you studying now?

econ? now there's a good theory of human behaviour. i'm sure nobody could justify using peds on economic grounds.

Alf Shrubb wrote:

Bob Hayes ran his anchor leg on cinders at the 64 Olympics - in 8.6.

No he didn't. Yes, everyone likes to say that and it seems to drop a few hundredths with every telling of the tale but no he did not

How does what I have said constitute racism Geezer? I don't judge anyone based on colour. We are all humans. The hate you have manufactured is from your dislike of a country, Jamaica. The basis of that hate is beyond any rational reasoning. It is only because we have started turning bronze medals into gold and silver more often That is lately due to Mo Greene, Pettigrew, Michael Johnson, Jones, Inger Miller, Kelli White, Torri Edwards etc.. no longer having access to the gold pill.

What you should ask yourself is why Tyson Gay sips so much water before his races and Steve Mullings(HIS TRAINING PARTNER) begins sipping water and starts running fast only to be caught. If I were into speculation for the sake of being controversial I would ask why Tyson pulled out so conveniently when blood tests are now mandatory. He ran through pain before. All of a sudden he needs surgery that needs to be documented all over Facebook.

Its funny the people you accuse of doping that competed for Canada, GBR etc. are those who are in fact Jamaicans. Steve Mullings is more American than Jamaican right now. The way he talks..we don't like that. His brother, Dwight Mullings went to my high school and was one year behind me. He studies abroad and he doesn't have this big fake accent.

Many Jamaicans don't approve of Mullings just like we don't approve of any doper. We don't push them onto our 4x100m team straight off a two year ban and we don't beg Mr. Extenze to run the 400m for us because our white hope suddenly got injured. BTW, that white hope is suddenly no longer iother worldly fast since dope testing got more stringent.

I'm off to my Economic Development class. That university if the University of West Indies, Mona. Don't try adding me on Facebook either...or hacking my account or telling Zuckerberg FB is too black...lol