this is awesome stuff
this is awesome stuff
This tempest in a tea pot is silly.
Look at the slow motion and you will clearly see both of Dix's knees flinch lower slightly as well.
Bolt tried to get out fast and he false started.
His first choke on the world stage.
If you watch the video and LISTEN. Replay it on the close up of Yohan Blakes left leg, and notice there is an audible click exactly in time as Yohan Blake flinches. The audio you are listening is trackside using a hyper-cardiod microphone, that essentially zooms in to the athlete starting blocks. Play it back a couple of times. You'll notice its exactly in time. So yes, Yohan Blakes flinch created a sound that made Bolt think it was the gun. What happens after that is a tough one.
who flinched here?
rojo: the ultimate troll
The ESPN article ends with the statement
"What a day. The world's fastest man did not finish his race, but a man with no legs advanced to the next round. Such unpredictability is the beauty of sport."
Un frickin believable. Leave it to ESPN, the biggest sports network in the world with the most superficial track and field coverage possible, to celebrate 2 things that shouldn't have ever happened
I saw Dix's knees bend slightly too under slow mo.
Bolt false started and knew it.
I'm sure if we HD slo mo the view of the whole field we'd get some more "flinches". As of now we have video proof Blake and Dix "false started" (flinched). Next somebody will get an audio slow mo of that supposed clicking sound of the aluminum blocks settling.
If the starter doesn't call it a false start, it's not a false start. Maybe we need a starting official standing behind each sprinter if you really want to catch these LITTLE wobbles. IMO it's just "part of the game" like 'holding' on every play in football.
rojo wrote:
I've deleted a number of posts from people who don't know the rule book or who didn't bother to read the piece we have on this.
Here are the other relevant rules. No flinching is allowed.
1) From Rule 162.5. "On the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' as the case may be, all athletes shall at once and without delay assume their full and final set position."
2) From Rule 162.5. "After the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' if an athlete disturbs other athletes in the race through sound or otherwise, the Starter shall abort the start."
3) From Rule 162.8. "The Starter should warn or disqualify only such athlete or athletes who, in his opinion, were responsible for the false start."
Thanks for deleting my post and my thread I started only to bring attention and discussion to your video. I never claimed to be an expert on the rules. I even said that. Now that I have seen the rules, I still don't see anything about flinching. Rules are obviously interpreted differently, but I guess I'm wrong if I disagree with you. That's why I wanted to contribute to the discussion, to get my questions answered and learn some things. Now I don't even care.
trolldozer wrote:
While I appreciate the Michael J Fox impersonation - you still need to take it up a couple octaves - the flinch is not worthy of a false start call. Also, as to the quote "Bolt did nothing wrong." Of course he did, he jumped. Even if you were right about Blake, that would only mean they both should have been dq'd. If you need super slow mo repeated five times to verify the flinch, a starter should not call it. No way Bolt reacted to it. Bolt jumped. he's a great athlete and a great sportsman but he jumped. The job of a starter is not to randomly dq people. It is to prevent anyone from gaining an advantage. Blake in no way would have had an advantage if the first start had ended up fair. I really hope this is a joke and for the sake of the brojos reputation Weldon is not really trying to drum up support for this crackpot theory. Hello Mcfly!
you sir are stupid as hell. any flinch would cause at least a little bit of a clicking sound in the blocks. you obviously have never taken part in a race that uses blocks. i'm sure he heard it.
either blame blake or blame no one. i thought they used to have sensors or something ridiculous like that. where are those?
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
rojo wrote:I've deleted a number of posts from people who don't know the rule book or who didn't bother to read the piece we have on this.
Here are the other relevant rules. No flinching is allowed.
1) From Rule 162.5. "On the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' as the case may be, all athletes shall at once and without delay assume their full and final set position."
2) From Rule 162.5. "After the command 'On your marks' or 'Set,' if an athlete disturbs other athletes in the race through sound or otherwise, the Starter shall abort the start."
3) From Rule 162.8. "The Starter should warn or disqualify only such athlete or athletes who, in his opinion, were responsible for the false start."
Thanks for deleting my post and my thread I started only to bring attention and discussion to your video. I never claimed to be an expert on the rules. I even said that. Now that I have seen the rules, I still don't see anything about flinching. Rules are obviously interpreted differently, but I guess I'm wrong if I disagree with you. That's why I wanted to contribute to the discussion, to get my questions answered and learn some things. Now I don't even care.
Awwww yeah, txRUNNERgirl with the BEATDOWN!
Someone please tell me the starters look at High Def replay. If they are supposed to do it with their eyes then why have the sensitized blocks?
Dix's movement is much less than Blake's and it occurs after Blake's. Blake's leg looks like it is going to start.
Do what I did. Watch the slow mo. Block out Bolt and hit pause when you see Blake move.
When I hit pause, Bolt is still 100% sitting in the blocks.
Not sure how slow the replay is but I think Bolt reacted to the flinch. I'm still not 100% sure however that Bolt is looking back there. Just some spritner tell me if you can see the guys legs next to you. That's all I need to confirm what is seen in the video.
I'm assuming they can see back there or there would be no reason to worry about flinches. If no other athlete could see a flinch then why would there be a rule preventing them?
Turdy guy wrote:
You respond to the gun, not someone else.
Have you ever, I mean EVER, did a blockstart in a racing setting??? Do you even now what sitting in a block feels like? No...that's what I thought...if you're in a block...you are mentally prepared to launch at even a fart from someone in the stands. Plain and simple...every sound, movement, etc, triggers a reaction.
Bolt got f*cked by Blake. Drummond got DQ'd for the same thing Blake did yesterday.
Don't like Blake at all....and I for one hope he's getting put in his place by Powell and Bolt in Zurich/Bruxelles.
People talking about Blake would have won with both in the race....and got freakin' run down by Powell coming 2m from behind....in a championship setting. At this moment I tend to say that Blake is on top of the 'most overrated sprinter' contest. He beat Mac Donalds posterboy and a 35 year old retired sprinter....
Take a look at Bolt's lower back, doesn't it move before Blake clinches? It's too hard to pause quickly on my phone, but I think Bolt may already be moving before the flinch.
Replying to my own post here...
I think Bolt's already moving by to time the slo mo starts. I think this is all a big to do over nothing.
Blake's flinch could be a reaction to Bolt.
I wonder. If Blake twitched and no one else moved what might happened? Also, it may be useful to test the effect of closing one's eyes at "set."
FogRunner wrote:
I wonder. If Blake twitched and no one else moved what might happened? Also, it may be useful to test the effect of closing one's eyes at "set."
Closing you eyes on 'set' will cause problems in your balance...bigtime. Not only you can't stay still in your block...but if you open your eyes at the gun you'll problably run straight into someone else's lane
With all respect... we use HD slow-mo's to see that Blake 'moved' his left leg. Did Bolt really react to that, was it a sound from the audience or snatched someting in his 'circuits' and was he to eager to start to crush the field and end his mediocre season?
The sensitized blocks did already led to a dq (at worlds (Paris I think it was) and probabbly also to Christie's DQ at the OG (1996?), when pressures was altererd at the blocks.
Nonetheless: the falsestart rule shouldn't be altered (except for a unofficial start in DL race, as RoJo mentioned). In swimming they have the same rule and that doesn't give any problems. For TV coverage it's way better, because less false starts occur.
None the less
May have been mentioned already, but for those who didn't watch the earlier semi-final Dwain Chambers was DQed for a very subtle flinch also. He's rocking because it's on loop. The 2nd video shows the Blake flinch at a comparable angle, showing the two are similar.
I don't think you can say the wrong call is made here. The call, as stated by the rules, indicated that the final call is made "in his opinion" (meaning the official's opinion). I don't think you can argue that there was a flinch based on the video, but at real speed if it was subtle enough the official probably did not see it (as most did not notice before the slow mo replay was presented) and based on his opinion Bolt was at fault.
Without have instant replay analysis allowed in track and field, its hard to say the wrong call was made. the call was made based on the information that was seen by the official and this official is given the right to make the call based on his opinion as stated by the rules.