The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
Reality Bath wrote:
The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
Thank you.
wellidunno wrote:
Really, I don't know. Could you possibly be that dumb? Or just trolling?
Anyone who has watched Ritz over the years knows he's got guts to spare.
Congratulations to this Japanese Amateur. For anyone wanting to use this as a way to bash American runners - either get a clue or grow up. Maybe even both.
Seriously, which part of my message suggests that Im trolling? Perhaps u r the one who is clueless. What I have typed so far have been completely factual. As pointed out by one guy, Ritz has the cyrogenic bath, altitute tent, all that video footage to correct his form etc. Yuki Kawauchi does it by himself with miles after miles. Who is the one with the 2:08 pb and the one with 2:10?
Perhaps when you jump so quickly to defend your American runners, you expose to the whole world your lack of intelligence.
prepureguts wrote:
wellidunno wrote:Really, I don't know. Could you possibly be that dumb? Or just trolling?
Anyone who has watched Ritz over the years knows he's got guts to spare.
Congratulations to this Japanese Amateur. For anyone wanting to use this as a way to bash American runners - either get a clue or grow up. Maybe even both.
Seriously, which part of my message suggests that Im trolling? Perhaps u r the one who is clueless. What I have typed so far have been completely factual. As pointed out by one guy, Ritz has the cyrogenic bath, altitute tent, all that video footage to correct his form etc. Yuki Kawauchi does it by himself with miles after miles. Who is the one with the 2:08 pb and the one with 2:10?
Perhaps when you jump so quickly to defend your American runners, you expose to the whole world your lack of intelligence.
U forgot to mention the Alter-G, that brillant 10k a piece machine. I wonder how many mouths that machine can feed in Africa?
Quote on the front page:
"I didn't want to be sneaky and just ride along behind them when I caught them, so I told myself, 'If you've come this far you've got to keep going. There's no other choice.' ... This was my sixth marathon, and the fifth time I've ended up in the medical area. Every time I run it's with the mindset that if I die at this race it's OK."
Dude is a total badass.
Reality Bath wrote:
The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
That was in 1969, no? Those Aussies are badass.
He did not loose his focus as maybe a Mr. Hall did taking time to wave to the girls at last years Boston This guy had his head down on a mission.
Take no prisoners approach , gutsy.
Sagarin wrote:
Reality Bath wrote:The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
That was in 1969, no? Those Aussies are badass.
As far as pushing oneself, angst, and passing out, there was no one better than Derek Clayton over 40 years ago:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1082677/index.htmBrett, is it true that TV comedian Hiroshi Neko is trying to get into the Olympic marathon representing Cambodia?
vilago iberia wrote:
Last 6k or so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StGekhxY-qgEnjoy it before the station finds it.
Thanks for posting this! It is amazing how the Japanese TV coverage puts so much time into covering the race for 3rd. I guess the point is that they were following the top Japanese finisher.
It was also very cool to hear how excited the announcers were for pass. They know their marathoning.
Awesome! Get than man a PBR, he deserves it.
The Stache wrote:
[quote]vilago iberia wrote:
Last 6k or so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StGekhxY-qgEnjoy it before the station finds it.
Awesome the way he breaks them (about 6:20 in) and the pained grimace all the way in . . .
Thanks for sharing and great story. Shows me that I can run harder!
one of the more inspiring runs in the past few years. i have so much respect for this guy
Sagarin wrote:
Sagarin wrote:That was in 1969, no? Those Aussies are badass.
As far as pushing oneself, angst, and passing out, there was no one better than Derek Clayton over 40 years ago:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1082677/index.htm
Because of the picture on that page, I thought for years that Derek Clayton was black.
Sagarin wrote:
Reality Bath wrote:The first man to run 2:08 had a full-time job and ran 130+ miles/week.
That was in 1969, no? Those Aussies are badass.
correction that aussie was a badass, the current aussies not so much, though mottram was very good a few years ago.
supposedly colis birmingham is going for rob de castella's australian marathon record of 2:07.58 in london on april 17th.
now australia has gregson and birmingham and mottram is trying to come back.
vilago iberia wrote:
TLW wrote:Absolutely amazing. Any videos available yet?
Last 6k or so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StGekhxY-qgEnjoy it before the station finds it.
That was a MAN move at 39k.... holy crap!
someone send this video to Chris Solinsky.
From my training with some of the top Japanese runners (Masako Chiba, Yoko Shibui, Ryuji Ono, Reiko Tosa) I think that the Japanese in general have a willingness and ability to accept pain and suffering more than we will probably ever know.
I think that Mr. Kawauchi is benefited by the fact that he ISN'T on one of the corporate teams, so he doesn't have time to overtrain and become injured by it. Remember that Khalid Khannouchi, first guy ever under 2:06, never ran more than 100 miles a week. He focused on hard long tempo runs and long sets of 1km intervals.
From what I heard from my inside sources, the corporate team coaches at the awards banquet after the Tokyo marathon were very embarrassed that all the corporate money, trips to Boulder and 2x / 3x a day training could not beat one very determined government worker from Saitama.
I suspect that at least one of the teams will make an offer to Mr. Kawauchi, but he would be wise to refuse it.
I've had the chance myself to observe the destruction that some of these teams bring on their own athletes. In 2007 I was staying in the same hotel as one of the Japanese corporate teams. Half the team was nursing some kind of injury and could barely train. One morning, after a 10km tempo run, the rest of the team had to do 40x200 meters. FORTY times 200. It sounds as if the coaches are TRYING to injure them.
The Japanese runners have been overtraining for years.
But will anything change? Like Kenyan training camps which were once productive, but have now become more about the egos of coaches and bureaucrats, a form of abuse.
40x200m might be OK at times but never when the volume is so high the team is already broken. Watching the clip of Yuki should remind us that to race best a runner needs to be fresh. Sometimes the most competitive thing you can do is rest.
dsrunner has the day off wrote:
The problem with your premise is that you don't know what sort of 10k shape Kauwachi had going into this race.
His 2:12 was in poor racing conditions; he was probably overtrained or still not quite recovered when he ran that 29 10k; and as you know, his half marathon best is 1:02:40 -- suggesting 2:10 shape at least. If he trained through for the half marathon best, a < 2:09 would not be too much of a surprise. Still, a good story.
NobbyH wrote:
A very good point. Coach Squires told me that he felt Rodgers could have run 27:30 had he concentrated on 10000 but he never did. So to translate his marathon performance from his actual PR of 28:05 is not valid.
As for Kawauchi, according to the interview, because he "lacked speed", he emphasized stamina. To prepare for Tokyo marathon, he did five 43km runs as well as a couple of 5~6 hours cross country runs.
This is of course another way of saying that the title of this thread is wrong. Kauwachi is now a 13:30 and sub-28 runner. Those older times are way off his current level.